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clarnibass
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 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: Nikon micro |
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clarnibass wrote:
Hi
Does nayone the distance from end of the lens to subject of the Nikon 55mm micro at 1:1 magnification when combined with the PK-13 tube? Same for the micro 105mm when combined with its tube (I think its PN-11)?
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kds315*
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:09 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
optical rule is that at 1:1 magnification, 2 x f is distance, so it is approximately 110mm for 55mm and 210mm for 105mm (single lens approximation - take middle of lens, not lens front)
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danfromm
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
| kds315* wrote: |
| optical rule is that at 1:1 magnification, 2 x f is distance, so it is approximately 110mm for 55mm and 210mm for 105mm (single lens approximation - take middle of lens, not lens front) |
Quite correct, approximately, as you wrote for the 55 and 105/5 MicroNikkors. Not quite right for the 105/2.8 MicroNikkor, which changes focal length as it focuses closer. At its close focusing limit (1:2 on its own mount, 1:0.88 on the PN-11) its focal length is 88 mm, so for it the distance is 176 mm, not 210 mm, at 1:0.88. |
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clarnibass
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:22 am Post subject: |
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clarnibass wrote:
Thanks.
Do you know what the distance is from the end of the lens to the subject? I'm not sure where those FLx2 measurements are measured from. |
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kds315*
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
The approximation is from middle of the lens, not lens front.
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Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
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Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
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clarnibass
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: |
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clarnibass wrote:
Thanks. Yes, I understood that in your previous post. I meant I don't know exactly where in the middle (what is considered the middle?). I don't know the length of the lens, though I guess I can find it. But since with this lens at 1:1 every cm (or even less) matters, I have to know exactly from where in the middle to calculate, does it include the entire lens, what about the overlap of the mount, how approximate is it, etc.? I don't know how to use that to calculate the distnace from the end of the lens, which is what I'm trying to find. Maybe you know? Maybe someone here has the lens anc can check please?
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danfromm
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
The front nodal point is approximately at the diaphragm. Approximately. |
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GaborF
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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GaborF wrote:
Attaching an image taken by Micro-Nikkor 55mm 3.5 without extension tubes (not max. magnification I think):
Now the same 1:1 lens with tubes (it needs long shutter time):
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clarnibass
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:56 am Post subject: |
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clarnibass wrote:
Thanks. Since you have the lens and the tube for 1:1, can you please check the working distance from the end of the lens at 1:1? |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:06 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I have 3.5/55 and I'll measure this for you if you tell me how long is the extension tube and I have one...
I'm curious how this measurement information will get used? Why front of lens? Aren't distances marked on lenses measured from film/sensor?
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clarnibass
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:24 am Post subject: |
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clarnibass wrote:
| visualopsins wrote: |
| I have 3.5/55 and I'll measure this for you if you tell me how long is the extension tube and I have one... |
It is the Nikon PK-13 tube 27.5mm http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/37858-REG/Nikon_2653_PK_13_27_5mm_AI.html
| visualopsins wrote: |
| I'm curious how this measurement information will get used? Why front of lens? Aren't distances marked on lenses measured from film/sensor? |
Because I want to know what distance physically the end of the lens is going to be from the subject at 1:1, to see if that is too short to block my light for the specific macro photos I need. A difference of just a couple of cms can be critical and I rather not get a longer lens if I don't have to.
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
That's a great "portrait" of the moth.
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clarnibass
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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clarnibass wrote:
I eventaully found someone who had one and said it's 5cm-6cm and I decided this was far enough so I bought one. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:38 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Storm got in the way...
I (too) measured subject 6cm from front of lens barrel (lens is recessed). Lens at maximum extension is 85mm long.
My Macro-Takumar 4/50 at 1:1 front of barrel is also 6cm...
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clarnibass
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: |
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clarnibass wrote:
Thanks for confirming. |
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