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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: new Ricoh GR Reply with quote
compact f2.8 28mm equiv. fixed lens on 16 MP APS-C, imo the first 'real' digital successor of the classic 35mm GR1: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/ricoh-gr
a quote from there: "Beyond this, the GR uses an interface that's consistent with previous Ricoh models - and that's something we're delighted to see. We've often referred to the Ricoh interface (as used in the GRD and GXR models) as arguably the best enthusiast-focused interface on a compact camera, so we're delighted to see it retained."
it looks really good in this comparison with NEX6 + Sigma 19mm and FF Nikon 800D + Nikkor 1.8/28 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51525806


PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not bad. Of course, it's the best possible situation for designers if they can calculate ONE lens for a camera/sensor.
Interchangeable lenses always need to be some kind of compromise.

Look at the lenses of cams like Nikon 28Ti odr 35Ti, Minolta Hi-Matic-Sereis, even the Minox 35. Those cams had fantastic lenses!

And Ricoh had a tradition of making excellent prime lenses for compact cams, eps. in the GR-series!


PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interchangeable lenses don't need to be a compromise, especially not if they are designed for one sensor.

Zoom lenses are a compromise because unlike a prime, they can't be fully optimised for one specific focal length.

There's no reason a fixed prime would be any better than an interchangeable one.


PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Interchangeable lenses don't need to be a compromise, especially not if they are designed for one sensor.



Question Which one is? I can't think of any interchangeable lens that is designed for just one sensor.


PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
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There's no reason a fixed prime would be any better than an interchangeable one.


I am not a technical guy but I believe that too!

LucisPictor wrote:
...And Ricoh had a tradition of making excellent prime lenses for compact cams, eps. in the GR-series!


right, and those who have used Ricohs know that due to handling and UI they offer a truly remarkable photographic experience.
the 'original' analog GR1 / GR1s / GR1v and specially the GR21 now are sold for a 'connoisseur's' premium Wink

Nikon A is similar, also 28mm equiv. on APS-C, is much less configurable but offers MF, GR offers 'snap focus' functions instead. Ricoh has a tradition of 'snap focus' which is highly regarded by 'street photographers' this camera is aimed at. The Nikon cost 300 usd more, I suspect that if a comparable Canon would undercut a Nikon by that margin it would cause mayor uproar Wink


PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Interchangeable lenses don't need to be a compromise, especially not if they are designed for one sensor.



Question Which one is? I can't think of any interchangeable lens that is designed for just one sensor.


oh, a fixed lens digital could be optimized for that one sensor only, right. Thinking of the corner performance problems of wide angle lenses on short register distance cameras and the tweaking of sensors to better that I'd think that it's the combination of lens and sensor that will be optimized.
in the case of the analog fixed lens cameras you mentioned I can't see any specialization they could have to enhance their optical performance as compared to interchangeable lenses though


PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm wondering if the Ricoh GR retains the same excellent colors it had with the albeit tiny, CCD sensor. This new entry probably
won't affect the prices of the GRD3 and GRD4, but hope so. Smile


PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kuuan wrote:

in the case of the analog fixed lens cameras you mentioned I can't see any specialization they could have to enhance their optical performance as compared to interchangeable lenses though

Not "specialized" to a sensor, but to a camera. And very good nevertheless.


PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
looking at some of these B&W samples and the 'quality' of the noise makes me think that Ricoh tries to simulate a film look specially for B&W, the traditional choice for street shooting the GR series cameras are made for. ( had noticed a similar looking grain in the GXR M module too ) http://www.flickr.com/photos/20889767@N05/
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