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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:03 am Post subject: Mir 20mm f/3.5 -- comparable to Nikkor or Flektogon? |
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cooltouch wrote:
Hey guys, it's been quite a while since I've stopped by -- been busy house hunting and stuff.
I've been looking for an ultra wide in Nikon mount for a while now. My first choice would be an old UD pre-AI 20mm Nikkor, but even though they're over 40 years old now, most of them, they still tend to be pricey. Today I've come across a couple of 20mm Mir's and I'm wondering how they compare. You folks in Europe have much more familiarity with Russian optics than most of us in the States do, so I thought I'd toss the question out to you before I buy.
Both the lenses I've seen have the AI metering tab, so that means they're not older than the late 1970s. Multicoated, too. So if you have any experience with the Mir 20's, how would you compare them to Nikkors or even a Flektogon?
Thanks in advance! _________________ Michael
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
The Mir is ok, but not as good as other lenses, CA is much more prominent.
An old shot on my 1DIII with the Mir.
Nikkor AI 18/4 on my A7r
My OM 21/3.5 has vignetting on my A7r but is sharp enough. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 940 Location: Poland
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:34 am Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
I bought a Mir to use on my Sony A7. My copy was very bad on the edges. The image was blurred even if I stopped down..
In addition , my lens had problem with the aperture blades which are five.
I have now a Canon FD 20 f2.8 and I am happy with it.
I have also a Mir 1b 37 mm which is very weak on the edges. Mir means , world or peace in russian. So both lenses lie in peace in a drawer.
The rendition of those lenses is good in the center with beautiful colours . So they might give nice pictures with APS-C sensors. |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
Expire: 2014-05-30
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
memetph wrote: |
I bought a Mir to use on my Sony A7. My copy was very bad on the edges. The image was blurred even if I stopped down..
In addition , my lens had problem with the aperture blades which are five.
I have now a Canon FD 20 f2.8 and I am happy with it.
I have also a Mir 1b 37 mm which is very weak on the edges. Mir means , world or peace in russian. So both lenses lie in peace in a drawer.
The rendition of those lenses is good in the center with beautiful colours . So they might give nice pictures with APS-C sensors. |
Exactly my thought, the Mir is nice on aps-c (even if you can already see some sharpness loss at the edges of the aps-c frame), I love the colors, and it flares like mad - that can be fun sometimes. All in all, a good lens for the right price imho. The Flektogon 20/4 is much better, though. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:08 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, guys. The way I see it, there's not much point of going to the expense of 20mm if it's just gonna be used on an APS-C camera. That's roughly the equivalent of a 30mm in 35mm format, isn't it.
I have several Nikon film cameras that I still use for shooting film, and currently the widest I have in the format is 24mm. 20mm would be nice, 17mm or 18mm even better, but it's really hard to find deals on them and I guess I don't want one badly enough to pay full pop for one. I own a Tokina-made Vivitar 17mm in Canon FD mount. A nice lens. My next digital camera's gonna be a Sony A7 or A7r, so that Vivitar will work fine with it. But I still want an ultra wide in Nikon mount. Was kinda hoping the Mir might be a way to save money. Doesn't sound like the savings will be worth it, though. _________________ Michael
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I had crappy and stunning MIR both and dozen of Flektogons my 50+ or more, none of them was crappy. _________________ -------------------------------
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:34 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Tokina AF 3.5-4.5/20-35 or 3.5-4.5/19-35. Same lens, just the 19-35 is a later version with more plastics in the body.
This lens is common and cheap and outperforms 90% of legacy ultrawides imho.
Second choice would be the Sigma 3.5-4.5/21-35, also common and cheap, a bit more flare prone as it has a larger front glass. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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bernhardas
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 1432
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Cameraman
Joined: 18 Jun 2014 Posts: 17
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Cameraman wrote:
I have a 20mm Ud which I picked up for 40 bucks. It is not mint, but it is not junk either. The glass are perfect, aperture works crisply and the focus are super smooth. Its truly a beautiful lens. I guess I just got lucky finding it , especially for that price.
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
200-300 USD value lens this UD nikkor minimum and excellent as well, congrats! _________________ -------------------------------
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Yeah, in fact anywhere around $200 for the UD Nikkor nowadays is a very good price. I see it at auction consistently bid up higher than that.
I found another -- an old Vivitar 20/3.8 non-AI, so it's older than 1978 or so. SN begins with 22, so it's made by Kino, makers of the Kiron optics. I'm guessing it's a decent lens. The other Kino's I have are certainly very good to excellent. I'm tempted to get it. It's priced pretty favorably -- $114. _________________ Michael
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