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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7447 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: Minolta/Rokkor lenses |
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peterqd wrote:
I'd like to collect a few old Minolta lenses to use on my XG-M (I'm also looking for an XD-7 atm). I bought a lovely 3.5/135 MC Rokkor-QD and it's kind of hooked me into looking for more, particularly wide angles, but there are many different versions and Rokkor Files doesn't seem to give much info on the older lenses. Any particular recommendations in 28, 35 & 50mm or other FLs please? Max f/1.4 is fine and I don't need the program-mode. Thanks. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 741 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
Peterqd,
If your MC-Rokkor is an earlier one with bright metal aperture ring, I would think it's a better idea to build up a family of lenses from the same period. Assuming that, I would suggest a MC W.Rokkor_SG 28/2.8, MC W.Rokkor-HH 35/1.8 (or the MC W.Rokkor-HG 35/2.8 as a less costly option). All standard lenses are good, so nothing to worry there.
This is a good page for some additional information.
http://minolta.rokkor.de/minoltalenses.htm |
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towermax
Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 8
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: |
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towermax wrote:
"Manual Minolta" has the most complete and detailed info on Minolta lenses that I've found. It lists every lens and their variations/evolution over time.
For some reason (maybe because I'm new here?), I can't seem to post the URL, so just google "Minman Minolta" and it should be the first entry. |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: Minolta lenses |
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scsambrook wrote:
The older all-metal Minolta lenses are all nice optically - they have a "fingerprint" that sets them apart from - say - Canon lenses. Well, on reversal film at any rate! For those old enough to remember the names - They used to be great with Ektachrome but too warm on Agfa CT18.
And they're still relatively cheap, so don't be afraid to buy-and-try. But watch out for greasy or sluggish diaphragms though, and also "knocking" focusing mounts. Most Ebay vendors won't warn you about the latter. The mechanics aren't as good as the optics sometimes. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
The most recommended lens is MC Rokkor-PG 58/1.2, which is not only
sharp but it has its own character. The next one is MC Rokkor-PG 50/1.4,
very close to 58/1.2 except wide open performance.
Newer MC/MC 50/1.4 is sharper than those older MC lenses except 58/1.2,
but not much of character is there IMHO. _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
Lenses: https://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/top_level_my_lenses
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 741 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
This article should be of some interest to Minolta users:
http://www.dyxum.com/columns/dPhotoworld/Historical_perspective_Minolta_lens_design_philosophy.asp |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7447 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Thank you all for the replies. I'd found the German site, it has lots of information but not exactly what I'm looking for. And Rokkorfiles compares the IQ of a few lenses but not the ones I'm looking at. I thought the Minolman site had disappeared so it was nice to find that, thanks. Looking at the lens charts, there doesn't seem to have been too many changes of the optical designs through the various versions.
Seele, I am indeed looking at the all-metal MC lenses with aluminium aperture rings, at least to start with. Much as I love my Takumars, the build quality of these lenses is perhaps even better. I won't have a chance to compare the IQ until I can shoot a roll of film and get it developed. If they are on the warm side they might be very similar. What a shame they can't be used on DSLRs (4/3 excepted).
I'll look for the 2.8/35 to start with and then maybe the 3.5/28 - I don't want to splash a lot of cash on this. The camera has a 2/50 MD (non-Rokkor) which seems pretty average IQ but I can make do with my M42 lenses till I fill that gap. Thanks Koji, I think I'll probably eventually go for the MC 1.4/50 or 58. The price of the 1.2 is out of my range, and I really don't need that extra aperture. _________________ Peter - Moderator
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star0nfire
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 109 Location: Leiria, Portugal
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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star0nfire wrote:
Is the 28/2.8 MD any good? I bought one for my XG-M a few days ago because it was cheap, but I haven't tested it yet.. _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/franciscogomes |
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
I do not have many example shots by those MC/MD lenses, here they are>
http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/rokkors
MD 28/2.8 is not a bad lens, but I personally prefer older MC 28/2.5.
Those Minolta's 50~58mm lenses have similar characters, probably
the designs are also similar too. But they have a common trait of
having nicer bokeh.
Among MD's, MD 45mm F2 is a nice lens and also very small. _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
Lenses: https://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/top_level_my_lenses |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7447 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
What a shame they can't be used on DSLRs (4/3 excepted). |
Koji, thanks for your link, I'd forgotten you adapted a 350D _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
I recommend the MD 1.4 50mm. Very bright, well built optically perfect. quite affordable on ebay ( 30€ ~ depending on days ) Same goes for the 135/2.8 lens. a gem, in terms of rendition very sharp.
the 58 1.4 is also very common, and recently i had purchased a 200mm f3.5 MC , it was a tank like the seller described it. got it for 40£. sold since cause it was a bit too heavy for me ( all metal ) but is a great lens .
a very useful link if you want to compare lenses , the guy does tests, very interesting stuff. all cameras and history described
www.rokkorfiles.com
i saw the link given above, but hey here it is again . _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
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dnas
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
Relayer wrote: |
I have Rokkor-PG 58/1.4 - its not so sharp at wide open but have really nice bokeh. working aperture is 2.8 |
I have two of these, and one is quite good wide open, while the other is very sharp!!!! |
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velonoir
Joined: 09 Oct 2009 Posts: 3
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velonoir wrote:
I don't know if you are interested but I have a very rare MC Rokkor 40-80 f2.8 with an unusual linear/throttle lever style adjustment. I found your post when I was looking for information about it. Apparently it was a very high quality piece of kit. If you are interested feel free to PM me as I'll probably forget to check this thread again.
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Excuse me, gentlemen. But I read continuosly about the 1,2/58, 1,4/58 and MC/ MD 1,4/50.
Anybody knows how good (better) are them compared vs. the S-M-C tak 1,4/50?
Thanks in advance
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Welcome! Hopefully we will see you as an active member from now. Don't publish your email , member will find you via personal message. That will landing in your hotmail. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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velonoir
Joined: 09 Oct 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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velonoir wrote:
Thanks for the welcome, I'll try and swing by, I like using manual but by necessity I tend to use auto digital lenses as my nikon is DX format so I'm not big into manual at the moment. I'll edit my post if possible to remove my email. If you could remove it from the quote that would be appreciated |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
velonoir wrote: |
Thanks for the welcome, I'll try and swing by, I like using manual but by necessity I tend to use auto digital lenses as my nikon is DX format so I'm not big into manual at the moment. I'll edit my post if possible to remove my email. If you could remove it from the quote that would be appreciated |
I did use successfully manual lenses on my Nikon D50, try them it is great fun and they provide many times better IQ than AF lenses on lot lower prices. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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velonoir
Joined: 09 Oct 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: |
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velonoir wrote:
I usually use everything set to manual anyway and prefer it that way. Will be looking for an ultra wide angle lens sometime fairly soon and the samyang or zenitar are on my list of potentials due to the good price but the cropping issue worries me with the dx format. I don't want to buy one and find that the effect is barely noticeable... anyway, we'll se what happens. |
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Krisgage
Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 681 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Krisgage wrote:
The older MC i have 3 , 100, 200 and 50. All is sharp wide open and very smooth bokeh. Suprisingly 200mm can focus down to ard 1 ~ 1.5m ! _________________ Photos and Lenses Journal
http://krisgage.livejournal.com |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Peter, today I also bought a 135mm QD lens. Did you try already yours ? How do you like it ? _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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walter g wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Thank you all for the replies. I'd found the German site, it has lots of information but not exactly what I'm looking for. And Rokkorfiles compares the IQ of a few lenses but not the ones I'm looking at. I thought the Minolman site had disappeared so it was nice to find that, thanks. Looking at the lens charts, there doesn't seem to have been too many changes of the optical designs through the various versions.
Seele, I am indeed looking at the all-metal MC lenses with aluminium aperture rings, at least to start with. Much as I love my Takumars, the build quality of these lenses is perhaps even better. I won't have a chance to compare the IQ until I can shoot a roll of film and get it developed. If they are on the warm side they might be very similar. What a shame they can't be used on DSLRs (4/3 excepted).
I'll look for the 2.8/35 to start with and then maybe the 3.5/28 - I don't want to splash a lot of cash on this. The camera has a 2/50 MD (non-Rokkor) which seems pretty average IQ but I can make do with my M42 lenses till I fill that gap. Thanks Koji, I think I'll probably eventually go for the MC 1.4/50 or 58. The price of the 1.2 is out of my range, and I really don't need that extra aperture. |
I think we are thinking along the same lines lens wise. I started with a Rokkor X 45mm f2 which i really like. I just got a 28mm f2.8, not tested yet.
I don't see the point in getting a 35mm, with the combo I have.
The next lens will be a Rokkor 58mm f1.4.
A f1.2 would be nice but they bring alot more then the f1.4's.
Then I really need to save up because the next lens (hopefully) will be a Rokkor 85mm f1.7. Big money, for me. _________________
Main cameras
Panasonic G5,Nikon J1,Pentax Q10,Sony Nex 6
Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
Nikon Nikkor 4/20, O Auto 2/35, S Auto 1.4/50..... Miranda Auto 2.8/28, Auto 2.8/35, Auto 1.4/50, Auto EC 1.4/50, Auto 1.8/50, Auto EC 1.8/50,Auto 1.9/50, Auto 3.5/135
Various Soligor,Sun,Fujita,Komura,Spitatone, etc. Lenses
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:17 am Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
towermax wrote: |
"Manual Minolta" has the most complete and detailed info on Minolta lenses that I've found. It lists every lens and their variations/evolution over time.
For some reason (maybe because I'm new here?), I can't seem to post the URL, so just google "Minman Minolta" and it should be the first entry. |
I tried to google the Minman site. He shut the site down, it no longer exists. _________________
Main cameras
Panasonic G5,Nikon J1,Pentax Q10,Sony Nex 6
Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
Nikon Nikkor 4/20, O Auto 2/35, S Auto 1.4/50..... Miranda Auto 2.8/28, Auto 2.8/35, Auto 1.4/50, Auto EC 1.4/50, Auto 1.8/50, Auto EC 1.8/50,Auto 1.9/50, Auto 3.5/135
Various Soligor,Sun,Fujita,Komura,Spitatone, etc. Lenses
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thePiRaTE!!
Joined: 31 Oct 2008 Posts: 416 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
Sorry in advance to add temptation -
A couple of my favorites side by side Other than the 58 & 50/1.2, I haven't tried any other Minos though.
K. _________________ kellysereda.com
Sony A7ii, A900, NEX-5
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Helios: 1.5/85 40-2.
Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
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Ivan Lee
Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 230 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Ivan Lee wrote:
estudleon wrote: |
Excuse me, gentlemen. But I read continuosly about the 1,2/58, 1,4/58 and MC/ MD 1,4/50.
Anybody knows how good (better) are them compared vs. the S-M-C tak 1,4/50?
Thanks in advance
Rino. |
I have the Rokkor MC 50/1.4 and the SMC Tak 50/1.4, I plan on doing a test with them very soon. _________________ Ivan Lee Barcellos - Director of Photography
www.planoconjunto.com.br
Sony A7s
Lumix GH3
Minolta MC: Minolta MC 24/2.8 - Minolta MD 28/2 - Minolta MC 35/1.8 - Minolta MC 35/2.8 - Minolta MD 50/1.2 - Minolta MD Macro 50/3.5 - Minolta MD 100/2.5
Konica AR: Hexanon 28/3.5 - Hexanon 50/1.7 - Hexanon 57/1.4
M42: Industar 50-2 - CZ Pancolar 50/1.8
Olympus OM: Zuiko Auto-Macro 50/3.5 - Vivitar 28/2 Close Focus |
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Ivan Lee
Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 230 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Ivan Lee wrote:
the best lenses on the Rokkor lineup are the MC 24/2.8 (the Leica 24/2.8 is the SAME lens) and the 28/2
I have the MD 24/2.8 that some say it's a little inferior to the MC Leica version, I just can't imagine a lens better than that... _________________ Ivan Lee Barcellos - Director of Photography
www.planoconjunto.com.br
Sony A7s
Lumix GH3
Minolta MC: Minolta MC 24/2.8 - Minolta MD 28/2 - Minolta MC 35/1.8 - Minolta MC 35/2.8 - Minolta MD 50/1.2 - Minolta MD Macro 50/3.5 - Minolta MD 100/2.5
Konica AR: Hexanon 28/3.5 - Hexanon 50/1.7 - Hexanon 57/1.4
M42: Industar 50-2 - CZ Pancolar 50/1.8
Olympus OM: Zuiko Auto-Macro 50/3.5 - Vivitar 28/2 Close Focus |
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