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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:30 pm Post subject: Minolta MD 75-150mm f/4 vs S-M-C Takumar 150mm f/4 |
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caspert79 wrote:
Comparison between the Minolta MD 75-150mm f/4 vs Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 150mm f/4 @ 150mm.
I like both lenses, especially for trips and hiking. The Minolta is a very good performer, compact and light to carry around. It's also very versatile being a zoom lens. Sometimes I like to take a fast lens with me in the short tele range, so the Minolta becomes obsolete. In that case, the Takumar is ideal as a complementation, being very compact with still a reasonably long focal length. But does it hold up to the excellent Minolta?
Note: there are 2 different types of Takumar 150/4. The Super-Multi-Coated version is always the last (and best) version. The Super Takumar comes with either the old or the new formula.
It was partly cloudy today, and it somewhat affects some of the images.
First, infinity:
WeilandComparison by devoscasper, on Flickr
Center performance is very comparable. The Takumar reaches about-perfect corners 1 stop earlier than the Minolta.
Bokeh test:
bokehcomparison by devoscasper, on Flickr
The Takumar's bokeh seems a little softer wide open. No shocking difference. Better bokeh test are probably possible.
Another resolution test, this time only center crop.
First an overview of the image:
BuildingsOverview by devoscasper, on Flickr
Then, the 100% crops:
BuildingsCropcomparison by devoscasper, on Flickr
Both lenses are pretty sharp at the tested apertures. No significant difference IMO.
I also noticed how easy these lenses are to focus accurately; some excellent engineering from both manufacturers.
Conclusion: the Takumar seems to hold up very good with the Minolta, at least in my test. |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1616 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Nice test thanks for posting!
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10956 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Minolta MD 75-150mm f/4 vs S-M-C Takumar 150mm f/4 |
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visualopsins wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
... Conclusion: the Takumar seems to hold up very good with the Minolta, at least in my test. |
LOL, I take that to meaning also the Minolta seems to hold up very well to the Takumar! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Minolta MD 75-150mm f/4 vs S-M-C Takumar 150mm f/4 |
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caspert79 wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
... Conclusion: the Takumar seems to hold up very good with the Minolta, at least in my test. |
LOL, I take that to meaning also the Minolta seems to hold up very well to the Takumar! |
Well yeah, you could say that
The Minolta has quite a reputation though, the Takumar is fairly unknown to most. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3930 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Minolta MD 75-150mm f/4 vs S-M-C Takumar 150mm f/4 |
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stevemark wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Comparison between the Minolta MD 75-150mm f/4 vs Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 150mm f/4 @ 150mm.
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Another resolution test, this time only center crop.
First an overview of the image:
BuildingsOverview by devoscasper, on Flickr
Then, the 100% crops:
BuildingsCropcomparison by devoscasper, on Flickr
Both lenses are pretty sharp at the tested apertures. No significant difference IMO.
I also noticed how easy these lenses are to focus accurately; some excellent engineering from both manufacturers.
Conclusion: the Takumar seems to hold up very good with the Minolta, at least in my test. |
Sorry - but all I can see here are air turbulances! No wonder you can see "no significant differences"
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
Means a zoom is as good as a fixed focal? _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Antoine wrote: |
Means a zoom is as good as a fixed focal? |
Well, one of the best zoom lenses from the mf era with an excellent reputation. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3930 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Antoine wrote: |
Means a zoom is as good as a fixed focal? |
Most OEM (Canon nFD, Nikon AiS, Minolta MD, Zeiss CY) 4/70-210mm or 4/80-200mm zooms @ f=135mm are better than their 2.8/135mm counterparts from the same manufacturer.
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2530
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Most 135mm's were cheap offerings for the masses. Zooms in the seventies were expensive pieces of cutting edge optical technology. Totally undeservedly now they can be found at the bottom of the barrel. _________________ pentaxian |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1405 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:02 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
Time is also a factor. Contrast may have been better preserved on heavily used fixed 135mm lenses compared to heavily used tele-zooms. Some tele-zooms have a tendency to suck in dust; after decades of use a fixed 135mm may be substantially cleaner on the inside than an equally heavily used tele-zoom.
It all depends on the model; some zooms breathe more air than others when zooming/focusing. The Minolta 75-150/4 has only little internal volume change when focusing, and virtually none when zooming; they tend to still be very clean on the inside. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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