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Minolta MD 28mm f/2.8 - thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:21 pm    Post subject: Minolta MD 28mm f/2.8 - thoughts? Reply with quote

So i got a Minolta 28mm f/2.8 MD recently for £15, late MD version with 49mm filter thread. I haven't recieved my adapter yet so I can't test it - does anyone have this lens and if so, how do you find it? Samples would be nice too if possible, and once I recieve my adapter I will post some soon.


PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The MD-III version of the Minolta 2.8/28mm exists in two different versions:

* 7-lens
* 5-lens

From outside they are difficult to distinguish; performance-wise the older 7-lens version (which was made as MC-X, MD-II and MD-II as well) is slightly better:

http://www.artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/330-nex-5n-und-28mm-objektive

Stephan


PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have it and I think it's an ok lens for the money. Not really special in any way but good enough for most purposes. Here's my flickr album for this lens, but it doesn't contain many photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/8800601@N04/sets/72157645460465821


PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys! Great pictures too miran, seems like the lens is quite capable!

So I got bored and decided to "freelens" with it, with a metabones EF adapter mounted onto the a7s:

(IS04000 btw, so maybe not the best representation of quality but still quite good IMO)


PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If wonder which version your MD is, this page may help. Hint: presence of the thin ring over the frontmost element.
http://home.kpn.nl/dielpeet/minolta/minolta-28mm-lenses.htm

I have the 7/7 version. It produces photos with nice background at close distances. Stopped down a bit, results are not bad. And Minolta colors are always with you.

I like this photo very much, maybe more than I should as it is the second time I am sharing it here (sorry)


Foliage





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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just converted the Celtic version to a direct Canon EOS mount. I took it to the Grand Canyon earlier this month. Here's a panorama stitched together using Microsoft Image Composite Editor. It is 10 photos, 5 across and 2 high. Not the best quality but fun to use.



Here's one of the center photos used in the panorama.



Here's a 100% crop from the center of the above panorama and photo. The distance to this point in the photo from where I was standing is about 3 miles.



I took the photos in the middle of the day under the blazing Arizona sun. I had a polarizing filter on to cut through the haze and smoke from a controlled burn in the forest that was drifting into the canyon. The photos were taken using a Canon 50D at 1/800 sec at f11. I also used a tripod and delayed shutter release. I wish I had brought along my Canon EF 28-135mm to compare.

I'm pretty happy with the results for a lens I purchased for $5.00.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ $5?!! Oy! Lucky dog!

Killer photos folks!

I also have the MD Celtic version with 55mm filter, same lens as the MD W Rokkor-X. 7 elements.
It has excellent resolution, and vibrant colors thanks to the MD coating.
It's one of my top favorite 28mm lenses.


PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it known, the late Minolta MD (New MD, MD III) has a two versions of 28mm F2.8 lens - one is 7 elements in 7 groups, another is 5 elements in 5 groups
Here the review with tests for older 7x7
Here the review with tests for newer 5x5 (I met the opinion somewhere that the autofocused Minolta AF lens has the same scheme, but I have no confirmation)

And all four Minolta MD 28mm lens comparison "head to head"


PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minolta MD 28mm f2.8 for the money a very good lens (low ca, as do many other Minolta lenses) I have a copy to sell because he is much "lathering" on one side.
A7R + Minolta Md 28mm f2.8


PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WNG555 wrote:
^ $5?!! Oy! Lucky dog!

Killer photos folks!

I also have the MD Celtic version with 55mm filter, same lens as the MD W Rokkor-X. 7 elements.
It has excellent resolution, and vibrant colors thanks to the MD coating.
...


The Minolta Celtic lenses have only single layer coatings; for the "real Minolta coating" you must go for a real MC/MD lens Wink

Stephan


PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this lens, 7/7 MD-III version, I only find it OK. Center is nice and sharp but edges and corners never really get there. My copy is its sharpest at f/5.6, diffraction degrades image quality at f/8. I find it performs better on 24m-pix full frame than it does on 16m-pix APS-C.

I have an MD-I 28mm f/3.5 5/5 on the way, it should be a bit better on the sides but we will see!

EDIT: Got the MD-I 28mm f/3.5 5/5. It's sharper in the center at all aperture lengths but corners are worse. I'm wondering if Minolta changed the glass from the MC-X 5/5 version. Oh well, still a good lens.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link to my comparison of all the Minolta MC/MD 28mm lens designs:

* 3.5/28mm (MC-I [7/7], 67mm filter diameter)
* 3.5/28mm (MC-I/MC-II/MC-X, [7/7], 55mm filter diameter)
* 3.5/28mm (MC-X, MD-I/MD-II/MD-III, [5/5])
* 2.5/28mm (MC-I, MD-II, MC-X)
* 2/28mm (MC/MD-I/MD-II)
* 2/28mm (MD-III)
* 2.8/28mm (MC/MD-I/MD-II/MD-III, [7/7])
* 2.8/28mm (MD-III, [5/5])

http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/506-minolta-mc-md-28mm-lenses-on-24mp-full-frame

Stephan


PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
Here's a link to my comparison of all the Minolta MC/MD 28mm lens designs:

* 3.5/28mm (MC-I [7/7], 67mm filter diameter)
* 3.5/28mm (MC-I/MC-II/MC-X, [7/7], 55mm filter diameter)
* 3.5/28mm (MC-X, MD-I/MD-II/MD-III, [5/5])
* 2.5/28mm (MC-I, MD-II, MC-X)
* 2/28mm (MC/MD-I/MD-II)
* 2/28mm (MD-III)
* 2.8/28mm (MC/MD-I/MD-II/MD-III, [7/7])
* 2.8/28mm (MD-III, [5/5])

http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/506-minolta-mc-md-28mm-lenses-on-24mp-full-frame

Stephan


Hi Stephan,

Is there a way to tell if the MD III is a 5/5 or 7/7? Thanks.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vivaldibow wrote:
Is there a way to tell if the MD III is a 5/5 or 7/7? Thanks.


The front name ring looks slightly different; i.e. the 5/5 version shows an extra inner ring and this is missing on the 7/7 version.
Furthermore the serial of the 7/7 starts with 8xxxxxx and the newer 5/5 with 9xxxxxx.

There are contradictory informations as to which is the better version. I have both but didn't compare them directly yet; i.e. I don't know. Wink


PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vivaldibow wrote:

Is there a way to tell if the MD III is a 5/5 or 7/7? Thanks.


Another difference is that the IR dot on the depth of focus scale is in ever so slightly a different place for the two different models. On both models it is between the F4 and F8 mark on the right hand side of the scale, but on the 5/5 model it is slightly closer to F8, and on the 7/7 model it is slightly closer to the F4 mark. You need to compare photos of both to see what is a very small difference, but it is quite handy once you know, as the serial number is not always shown in listings.


PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:30 am    Post subject: Second thoughts Reply with quote

I have been very unhappy with a Minolta MD 28 7/7 I bought long time ago and I got rid of.

I bought since the newer computation 5/5 and have been very happy with for landscape use.

I also opened my purse to buy the MDIII 2,0 version, which is excellent, but expensive.

Two remarks concerning the 5/5 version: some CA (quite easily dealt with in post processing) and underwhelming performance near minimum focus distance. I noticed that lately since my main use of 28mm is landscape.

Out of curiosity and for a very good price I bought a MDIII 28 2,8 7/7 and tested it, not expecting much. It is an interesting lens and I must say my copy is well centered and assembled which was certainly not the case of the first copy I bought (which was a MD I or MDII).

Is it better than the 5/5 for landscapes? No. Resolution is quite close, minimally inferior in some parts of the frame and a tiny better on other parts and I would say the 5/5 is marginally better but you would not notice that if you close half a stop more and add microcontrast in post. So quite manageable. However lateral CA is superiorly managed by the 7/7 and that might appeal to some.

The biggest difference between the 5/5 and the 7/7 to the advantage of the latter is short distance resolution. The 7/7 delivers results that are very homogeneous at long and short distance where the 5/5 crumbles.

So, if you are not in the market for the excellent MDIII 28 2,0 and wish to use a 28mm on a wide range of distances, there is something quite interesting in the 7/7 lens.

I do not know if computation modifications occurred between the 7/7 generations so my comments only apply to the MDIII version and based on a good copy.

I finally compared the 7/7 with another excellent 28: the Canon nFD 28 2,8 which I consider as a sharpness king, (equal to the Minolta MDIII 2,0 for landscape use) provided you catch a good copy (had to buy three...). The nFD is slightly ahead at infinity but again with a half stop difference the Minolta is not humiliated with some adjustments in post. But the Minolta is slightly better at very short distance.

So an interesting lens overall that deserves more love than what I usually read on the web (and to which I have alas contributed).

Justice for all.


PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2025 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a later version of this lens and it is absolutely fantastic. I use it on my Minolta film cameras -- its part of a great small kit for traveling: 28mm, 50mm f1.7, and 100mm f2.5. Here's the 28mm in action:




PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this converted negative or slide? Very nice job on the highlights. I remember negative being quite tolerant to highlights. Nice pics and exposure.


PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy Dog


PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2025 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Second thoughts Reply with quote

lumens pixel wrote:
I have been very unhappy with a Minolta MD 28 7/7 I bought long time ago and I got rid of.
I bought since the newer computation 5/5 and have been very happy with for landscape use.

That means your first [7/7] version must have been defective. I have all four major MF versions of the [7/7] Minolta 2.8/28 (MC-X, MD-I, MD-II, MD-III) plus the [5/5] MD-III (same as AF-I, btw.). I consider the [7/7] the slightly better lens (especially in the corners).

lumens pixel wrote:

Two remarks concerning the 5/5 version: some CA (quite easily dealt with in post processing) and underwhelming performance near minimum focus distance. I noticed that lately since my main use of 28mm is landscape.

I didn't know the latter since I only test lenses at infinity - thanks for that information!

lumens pixel wrote:

Out of curiosity and for a very good price I bought a MDIII 28 2,8 7/7 and tested it, not expecting much. It is an interesting lens and I must say my copy is well centered and assembled which was certainly not the case of the first copy I bought (which was a MD I or MDII).

Maybe someone had dismantled your first copy before? (or even reversed one of the inner lensses by error??)

lumens pixel wrote:

Is it better than the 5/5 for landscapes? ... However lateral CA is superiorly managed by the 7/7 and that might appeal to some.
...
The biggest difference between the 5/5 and the 7/7 to the advantage of the latter is short distance resolution. The 7/7 delivers results that are very homogeneous at long and short distance where the 5/5 crumbles. So, if you are not in the market for the excellent MDIII 28 2,0 and wish to use a 28mm on a wide range of distances, there is something quite interesting in the 7/7 lens.


Yep, agreed. That makes much more sense now!

lumens pixel wrote:

I finally compared the 7/7 with another excellent 28: the Canon nFD 28 2,8 which I consider as a sharpness king, (equal to the Minolta MDIII 2,0 for landscape use) provided you catch a good copy (had to buy three...).

It seems you never tried the Pentax-K 3.5/28mm ... for landscape purposes it is clearly superior to all my other vintage 28mm lenses including the said Canon as well as the Zeiss CY Distagon 2.8/28mm! Well, the Pentax-K s pretty large, it's slow, and it's a sophisticated [8/7] construction.

Again: thanks for sharing your experience!

S


PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a number of Minolta 28mm a while ago in my hands, and I checked them in a quick, non scientific test.

28mm 2.8 7 elements
28mm 2.5
28mm 3.5 MD II
28mm 3.5 MD III

I kept the 2.5 (genuine vintage rendering, very good on center and mid-frame area, superb building), and the 3.5 II (slightly worse corners against the III, but much better mid-frame, and better made). The 2.8 is a good all round performer, I already had another sample, same IQ, not something to die for, but solid and honest lens.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultrapix wrote:
I had a number of Minolta 28mm a while ago in my hands, and I checked them in a quick, non scientific test.

28mm 2.8 7 elements
28mm 2.5
28mm 3.5 MD II
28mm 3.5 MD III

I kept the 2.5 (genuine vintage rendering, very good on center and mid-frame area, superb building), and the 3.5 II (slightly worse corners against the III, but much better mid-frame, and better made). The 2.8 is a good all round performer, I already had another sample, same IQ, not something to die for, but solid and honest lens.


I suggest that when we comment on our lenses we specify (me first) on what camera the opinion is based. Format and sensor could lead to significant differences of appreciation. (I am a Sony A7II user).


PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lumens pixel wrote:
Ultrapix wrote:
I had a number of Minolta 28mm a while ago in my hands, and I checked them in a quick, non scientific test.

28mm 2.8 7 elements
28mm 2.5
28mm 3.5 MD II
28mm 3.5 MD III

I kept the 2.5 (genuine vintage rendering, very good on center and mid-frame area, superb building), and the 3.5 II (slightly worse corners against the III, but much better mid-frame, and better made). The 2.8 is a good all round performer, I already had another sample, same IQ, not something to die for, but solid and honest lens.


I suggest that when we comment on our lenses we specify (me first) on what camera the opinion is based. Format and sensor could lead to significant differences of appreciation. (I am a Sony A7II user).


I agree, I use Canon EOS R and Leica SL (601), my "test" was done with Leica


PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lumens pixel wrote:
Is this converted negative or slide?


Those are converted Fujifilm 200 negatives. The scanning was done by Supercolor Imaging in Laguna Beach, Calif. These scans are not super hi res, but Henrik Shahmirian and his guys there do a great job.


PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an illustration of the use of Minolta MD III 28 2,8 7/7. Raw cooked to taste. F4,5.

Gare de Paris la Défense by lumens pixel, sur Flickr