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cooltouch
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:25 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
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I have the Vivitar 55/2.8. Very pleased with till now.
There is any wide angle macro lens?
Today I felt like I could use one. |
Yes, apparently so. A couple of members were exchanging info earlier in this thread about a close-focus Vivitar 28mm. About 28 years ago, I bought my first wide-angle lens, an Albinar 28mm f/2.8 that was marketed as a "macro" wide-angle. It focused down to about 1:4 as I recall. I really wasn't all that impressed with the quality of images I got from that lens, including those I took at its macro distances. But back then I didn't know much about photography, so who knows? Maybe it's better than I originally thought. I'm sure the Vivitars would be better, though.
That being said, there's also the old trick of taking a wide-angle lens and reverse-mounting it to your camera. Even a 35mm wide angle will give very nice macro shots at magnifications greater than 1:1. You can check this out for yourself, assuming of course you own a w-a lens. Just hold the lens up to your camera's lens mount, reversed, move the camera back and forth until the image is in focus, and take the photo. I think you'll be impressed by the image quality. You can find reversing adapters easily enough. eBay is probably the most convenient internet source. _________________ Michael
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:23 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Personally, I think any discussion of macro should include the incredible enlarging lenses available for relative peanuts. El nikkor, rodenstock rodagon and schneider componon are all incredibly sharp and mainly have superior color rendition. The only shortcoming - if it really is one - is the fact that they are all slow lenses (2.8 to 5.6 being normal). Typically available for less than $100 they are definitely comparable to any lens listed in this thread.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:33 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Sample from an el nikkor 135/5.6 for which I paid all of $35:
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:29 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Yeah, the enlarging lenses are worth adding into the mix. In retrospect, I wish I would have kept mine. When I sold off all my darkroom stuff about six years ago, it included an EL Nikkor, a Schneider, and a Rodenstock in various focal lengths. I put them up on eBay, and they sold for peanuts. I still feel a bit of pain when I think of it. _________________ Michael
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Boomer Depp
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 552 Location: Kingston,Washighton
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
Arkku wrote: |
Boomer Depp wrote: |
Nice capture! I'm amazed how well that Vivitar 28/2.8 shoots close up.I've got better then half a dozen 28mm from various manufacturers. |
Which manufacturer made the close focus Vivitar 28mm f/2.8? Komine? How close does it focus? |
I was going to answer your question,took a few quick pics yesterday and was going to upload them.But it was my turn to cook dinner and later though I hardly ever watch TV,I usually do follow the Winter Olympics.
I see Excalibur answered the question.Mine is an RL Edition which is the same optically as Excalibur's.Your latter query about the optics compared to your version,beats the hell out of me,but I would suspect it has a floating rear element.Typically as your probably aware with a floating element,the rear group of elements changes it's position in relation to the other lens groups,preserving image quality at short focused distances.
A couple of weeks ago,focused on the water drop on the 2nd near flower.
A couple quick pics from yesterday in the rain,Focused on the 10 o-clock position of the smaller center flower.
Focus in the throat of the bottom flower.The actual flower is about 3/4 of an inch in diameter.
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Boomer Depp
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 552 Location: Kingston,Washighton
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
Sometimes resolution is not the desired effect...yesterday,I wanted to accent the sweeping colors and not have resolution distract from the image....detail draws you into the images...and here I don't want the viewer scrutinizing the image for detail,but rather the overall effect of the sweep of the color.
I still didn't quite get the image I wanted yesterday,perhaps when I give it another try today,I'll throw it a wee bit more out of focus.
Micro-Nikkor 55/2.8
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Boomer Depp
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
Revisited yesterday with a Kiron 105mm f2.8 Macro
A few from last summer....
and one from last week.
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Boomer Depp
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.5 Macro
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Dang, after the hard freeze we had here a few weeks ago, the only flowers blooming around here are white azaleas. And white flowers are boring.
Vivitar 105mm f/2.5 macro @ f/5.6
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Boomer Depp
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 552 Location: Kingston,Washighton
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
Odd weather this year in the Pacific Northwest as well,January was the dryest on record and that's usually one of our wettest months.Usually when it's that dry we get deep hard freezes,but we had very few freezing nights and hardly no freezing during the day this winter...except for a couple days freeze in December.When there is little rain here,it also means very little snowfall in the mountains...not a good thing for the big cities that depend on a good melting snow pack to keep the reservoirs full in the summer.
The crocus and primroses have about done there thing and are about done.Forsythia are blooming,grape hyacinth and pulminaria are starting to bud.Didn't get any great captures,but got some so so captures.
Forsynthia don't have a lot of texture and the detail is blown out like white flowers....I should have been right in close and personal with the lens stopped way down....but shot further out with the lens wide open...
taken with the Kiron 205/2.8
Some of the younger crocus which haven't bloomed,will bloom this week....but most of the crocus that bloomed the past week and a half,are beginning to show their age....not quite the beauty they once were...but still an eye catcher none-the-less....stopped down a bit to f5.6 doesn't give the creamy bokeh of 2.8.
A late bloomer...
The primroses though battle scarred are always an interesting capture because the contrast in color seems to bring out the 3D effect...moving in closer seems to help with the 3d,but even with a longer lens it's still there somewhat.
Vivitar 28mm f2.8 Close Focus-taken last week-
Kiron 105mm f2.8 wide open-yesterday
Kiron 105mm f2.8 @f11-yesterday-
Vivitar S1 90mmf2.5 stopped down a bit....so not much creamy bokeh-taken last week-
The grape hyacinth will be a deep blue after they bloom,surprised to see them budding a couple weeks early.
Vivitar S1 90mm f2.5
Kiron 105mm f2.8
The Dutch Iris aren't qute as long lived as the other Iris variations.
Kiron 105mm f2.8
Now for the weather....which has gone from squalls to sun to rain the past month....looking like this a lot....
to like this at times....
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Russ
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
Where were the last two made? _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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Boomer Depp
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
The first is the old resort village of Hansville by Point No Point at the south end of Admiralty Inlet,just north of the Puget Sound...about 10 miles north of my home.
The second pic is Appletree Cove next to Kingston on the Puget Sound and close to my home....we keep our boats at the marina on the left,which makes it quite convenient. _________________ Trust that little voice in your head that says "Wouldn't it be interesting if...." And then do it. |
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Russ
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Russ wrote:
Cool. I'm down here in Vancouver, WA. For whatever reason, my results with the Kiron 105 macro seam to be considerably sharper. I'll have to scan and submit them. _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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Boomer Depp
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
That would be neat,would love to see them....but please don't make us wait like you have,for the list of all the Vivitar manufacturers....
Over the years I've done a bit of flower photography with and for my wife....wasn't til last summer with a bit more time on my hands,now that I'm retired,that I really seriously got into flower photography.
Last year I worked more on trying to make an interesting capture with thought about composition in flower photography doing hand held shots....rather then my old style of just taking a picture of a flower or use flowers and plants as the foreground subject of a picture.This year it will also be about using a tripod more,especially if I have a macro lens mounted.
But as I said at the top of this page...using a macro isn't always about high detail macro work or having the sharpest image,but rather what the photographer is looking to achieve when he composes an image.
Obviously in high magnification macro photography the detail you try to achieve with a sharp high resolution image quite often is sought,but even stopping down you don't gain high resolution across the whole image.
Another thing I was working on last year was HDR and when I was checking out different web pages on techniques photographers used...I stumbled upon an interesting way to get a highly detailed image with high resolution across the whole image...by taking a series of pics with resolution progressing across the subject and then stacking the images to obtain high resolution across the whole subject being captured...the author called this stacking...I'm planning on giving that a go as well some time this year.
Here is a short vid on focus stacking for those who might find this interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiEw4VCcYU
Also a thread on focus stacking on another board
http://www.digitalgrin.com/showthread.php?t=61316
The freeware Program combinez5 to do this available from here....
http://www.flickr.com/groups/combinez5/
Helicon Focus software
http://www.heliconsoft.com/focus_downloads.html
Luminous Landscape's article on Helicon Focus
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/Helicon.shtml
Photoshop CS4 can also be used for stacking
1) File>>scripts>>Load files into stack, making sure you check "attempt to align layers" box
2)Once loaded, Edit>> auto blend layers _________________ Trust that little voice in your head that says "Wouldn't it be interesting if...." And then do it. |
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justtorchit
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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justtorchit wrote:
I have used helicon focus. You can do a 30 day free trial, $30 1 year license or $200 I believe for unlimited. After stacking things in photoshop manually, programs like this are a godsend. It truly doesn't get any easier than this!
Made this image with something like 23 frames stacked:
It truly is great. I can't wait until spring and all the flora comes back to life! _________________ David
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Boomer Depp
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Boomer Depp wrote:
Very nicely done,David!!!
So David do you stack photos within PS CS 4 first and crop the photo so that Helicon doesn't end up having to work with the edges. _________________ Trust that little voice in your head that says "Wouldn't it be interesting if...." And then do it. |
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