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vroger
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:22 pm Post subject: M42 Teleconverter with most internal clearance. |
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vroger wrote:
I never said I wasn't a bit crazy.. I'm wondering if there is a M42 Teleconverter that has more internal clearance than others. use case is to use a lens that extends to far for my Canon 5D, and hits the mirror. Now, I could also use a Canon EOS EF Teleconverter, but I assume the M42 devices were designed to be used with more M42 lenses, hence why I was hopping some would be deeper.
Yes, I know there will be some level of IQ hit, but this is so I can get some FF benefit with Shallow DOF. That being said, I want to avoid a teleconverter that has bad IQ.
Thanks. _________________ Roger Lund
Canon EOS-M, Fuji X-E2, Helois 44-0 Vintage, Helois 44-4, Canon FD 50mm 1.8, Jupiter 8 50mm F2, Jupiter 3 50mm F1.5, Canon Serenar 50mm 1.9, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM, Canon Serenar 85mm F2, Leica 50mm f2 summar, E.Ludwig 50mm F2.9, Rekagon will.wetzlar 50mm 2.8,, a.schacht ulm travenar 135mm F3.5, CZJ 29mm 2.8 Hoya 28mm 2.8, CZ Tessar 50mm 2.8, MIR 37mm. 2.8, Porst Color Reflex MC 50mm 1.7, Vivitar 28mm 2.8 mc cf
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Aanything
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
I wouldn't consider this as a good option: my experience with various m42 TC's wasn't very good, to be extremely fair.
Also, consider that a 1.4/50 with a 2xTC Will behave like a 2.8/100. And longer lenses usually have more clearance Than normal/wides: so, in this case, I'd go directly for a 2.8/100 without the hassle and impact in iq that a tc would give.
Another thing you might consider, if you want those m42s so badly, is mirror shaving your camera: there are many members here Who did it without problems and that could provide info on the process. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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visualopsins
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Actually it is the mirror that hits the lens.
I think nearly any M42 TC will have enough clearance for M42 lens. I think nearly any M42 TC will not get hit by mirror. I base on not hearing of any problem -- not the best criteria.
The best TC I tried have 7 elements, such as Komura and one by Spiratone. However, as Aanything experienced so have I -- TCs are not very good; the image is degraded significant; the center of the image can be okay, but edges are usually not so good. I have got as good or better image quality using the lens by itself and cropping the image.
Does your 5D have the mirror-stiffening fix? (free from Canon) I ask because mine does -- my camera's mirror has hit lens probably at least 100 times without any damage -- with only one lens, Takumar 3.5/24, causing camera ERR indicating problem with mirror swing. I use all the lenses in my signature. The 50mm & wider lenses get hit, only sometimes, at infinity. I've used them for several years without any camera problems other than the occasional hit, which doesn't seem to hurt anything. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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vroger
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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vroger wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Actually it is the mirror that hits the lens.
I think nearly any M42 TC will have enough clearance for M42 lens. I think nearly any M42 TC will not get hit by mirror. I base on not hearing of any problem -- not the best criteria.
The best TC I tried have 7 elements, such as Komura and one by Spiratone. However, as Aanything experienced so have I -- TCs are not very good; the image is degraded significant; the center of the image can be okay, but edges are usually not so good. I have got as good or better image quality using the lens by itself and cropping the image.
Does your 5D have the mirror-stiffening fix? (free from Canon) I ask because mine does -- my camera's mirror has hit lens probably at least 100 times without any damage -- with only one lens, Takumar 3.5/24, causing camera ERR indicating problem with mirror swing. I use all the lenses in my signature. The 50mm & wider lenses get hit, only sometimes, at infinity. I've used them for several years without any camera problems other than the occasional hit, which doesn't seem to hurt anything. |
Yes, I sent it for service at Canon early on and they did it for free. I see a Komura one on ebay, i'll check it out. _________________ Roger Lund
Canon EOS-M, Fuji X-E2, Helois 44-0 Vintage, Helois 44-4, Canon FD 50mm 1.8, Jupiter 8 50mm F2, Jupiter 3 50mm F1.5, Canon Serenar 50mm 1.9, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM, Canon Serenar 85mm F2, Leica 50mm f2 summar, E.Ludwig 50mm F2.9, Rekagon will.wetzlar 50mm 2.8,, a.schacht ulm travenar 135mm F3.5, CZJ 29mm 2.8 Hoya 28mm 2.8, CZ Tessar 50mm 2.8, MIR 37mm. 2.8, Porst Color Reflex MC 50mm 1.7, Vivitar 28mm 2.8 mc cf
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vroger
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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vroger wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Actually it is the mirror that hits the lens.
I think nearly any M42 TC will have enough clearance for M42 lens. I think nearly any M42 TC will not get hit by mirror. I base on not hearing of any problem -- not the best criteria.
The best TC I tried have 7 elements, such as Komura and one by Spiratone. However, as Aanything experienced so have I -- TCs are not very good; the image is degraded significant; the center of the image can be okay, but edges are usually not so good. I have got as good or better image quality using the lens by itself and cropping the image.
Does your 5D have the mirror-stiffening fix? (free from Canon) I ask because mine does -- my camera's mirror has hit lens probably at least 100 times without any damage -- with only one lens, Takumar 3.5/24, causing camera ERR indicating problem with mirror swing. I use all the lenses in my signature. The 50mm & wider lenses get hit, only sometimes, at infinity. I've used them for several years without any camera problems other than the occasional hit, which doesn't seem to hurt anything. |
I'll add that I use most of these older lenses not because the edges are sharp, but because of the look of the image. _________________ Roger Lund
Canon EOS-M, Fuji X-E2, Helois 44-0 Vintage, Helois 44-4, Canon FD 50mm 1.8, Jupiter 8 50mm F2, Jupiter 3 50mm F1.5, Canon Serenar 50mm 1.9, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM, Canon Serenar 85mm F2, Leica 50mm f2 summar, E.Ludwig 50mm F2.9, Rekagon will.wetzlar 50mm 2.8,, a.schacht ulm travenar 135mm F3.5, CZJ 29mm 2.8 Hoya 28mm 2.8, CZ Tessar 50mm 2.8, MIR 37mm. 2.8, Porst Color Reflex MC 50mm 1.7, Vivitar 28mm 2.8 mc cf
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11020 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
The other thing is non-infinity focus usually presents no problems -- the lenses I use at infinity are usually not wide angles.
I used to think for landscapes use wide angle at infinity, however, the details get really tiny and very far away. Stitching a panorama made from longer lens gives much much better results for that kind of work -- wide-angle infinity landscapes -- or larger format camera such as 8x10".
Wide angle lens is meant for showing a close up of something, while including a lot of its environment, extending to infinity sometimes -- the best wide angle images show something close in the foreground, in its environment that extends to infinity. In that case, focus is on the close-in subject, not infinity. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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