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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
Advaita wrote:

@stevemark - it goes without saying that the best lenses for a medium format camera would be a medium format lens, preferably those native to the camera. Those f4s do seem like interesting affordable options.


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Mamiya Sekor C 5.6/3
The amount of detail is insane (100% crop from above image, no CA correction applied):

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Very nice. Researching 645 lenses I was reminded they were originally made for larger sensors than current MF. I wonder if there is an added benefit there when adapted i.e perhaps using the sharpest part of the lens.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've been using Pentax 67 lenses on my GFX 50SII, and they're fantastic. The 105 2.4, the 165 2.8, and the older 150 2.8 all work wonders. The 200 4 I didn't care for - I just don't think it's a very good lens.

I've also often used an old MOG 80mm Primotar 3.5 in Exakta mount, even though it was made for the P6. It's works well too.

I'll restate my list of favorite full-frame lenses I've used on the GFX, in case anyone has missed it previously.

Nikon 85mm f/2 AiS.

Brilliant. I find myself using this all the time for events because it's super small and super light, and it performs like a champ on the GFX. The only drawback is the 7-bladed aperture, which can produce some unpleasant highlights in the corners and edges. Squashed heptagons are not all that lovely.

MOG 100mm Orestor f/2.8 zebra M42

It's stunning how good this one is on the GFX, especially since it's super small and super light. If you want a vintage look using a GFX, this would be my number one choice. If you close down the aperture you'll be surprised at the sharpness, too. The only negative is the somewhat long minimum focus distance, > 1m.

Nikon 180mm ED Nikkor f/2.8 AiS

The weight and ergonomics of this lens are a perfect balance for the GFX, making it seem like it was made for the camera. The performance is excellent, too. I list this ahead of the (even better) D series 180 2.8 only because that one has internal focusing that give some vignetting in certain situations - though it is perfectly usable as well.

Zeiss 135mm Apo Sonnar f/2 classic

If you've used this lens you know it's phenomenal, and it works great on the GFX.

CZJ 58mm Biotar f/2

A classic, and still useful. I took some portraits at f/4 with one of these the other day and they look wonderful.

And finally, the cheapest option...

Jupiter-8 50mm f/2

I still haven't seen anyone try the old Sonnar 50 f/2 on a GFX (I expect it would be successful), but the Jupiter-8 is very good. You will get lots of smearing and distortion near the edges, but no vignetting.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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For more vintage lens options for the GFX there's a terrific website called Chan's Blog. He provides lots of real world examples and his (translated) commentary is pretty entertaining. Translation bar is on the right side of the site.

GFX search results:
https://chan.nds.hk/blog/?cat=2436


PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
@stevemark

well for the gfx it would be 50R model only .. cause it's 'pocketable'.
that's why I would use smaller lenses too.
Im aware of mamiya 645 and gfx combo.
those 645 are the ' smallest' of medium range hardware (i think?).
But, not having gfx yet .. and if I get it ever I will start with 35mm lenses I have.

and comment about ' super-vintage' look what you wrote:
Im very very happy with the first gen fuji sensor and vintage lenses.
it gives me a very 135 film-ish look out of the camera. And im not even trying my best.

Now when Im thinking bout what I wrote .. a simple conclusion is: I do not need a gfx. at all.
but I want it.

edit: just checked current mamiya c and 645 lens prices. unbelievable.
now i 'need' a gfx.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:
@stevemark

well for the gfx it would be 50R model only .. cause it's 'pocketable'.
that's why I would use smaller lenses too.

Ok, makes sense!

alex_d wrote:
Im aware of mamiya 645 and gfx combo.
those 645 are the ' smallest' of medium range hardware (i think?).
But, not having gfx yet .. and if I get it ever I will start with 35mm lenses I have.

Yep, a good way to start for sure.

alex_d wrote:
and comment about ' super-vintage' look what you wrote:
Im very very happy with the first gen fuji sensor and vintage lenses.
it gives me a very 135 film-ish look out of the camera.

I'm aware of that special look - and I've seen images I really like. It's not my style, and I would have troubles trying to "copy" it, but there are such images which are really cool.

alex_d wrote:
Now when Im thinking bout what I wrote .. a simple conclusion is: I do not need a gfx. at all.
but I want it.

Well, that's a conclusion I know very well Wink

alex_d wrote:
edit: just checked current mamiya c and 645 lens prices. unbelievable.
now i 'need' a gfx.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have chosen to adapt everything to Leica M Mount and run both my 50R and a7R4 this way. I have had good luck with all of the old canon LTM stuff on the 50R, havent found the 19 yet, but the 24 does well, as does the 28, 35F2(which is really my go to travel lens)..... I like the 50R as it feels like a camera, my a7r4 feels like a piece of electronics that takes pictures. I really wish Fuji put the 100 megapixel in the 50R body....


PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
And testing the GFX50 extensively I was shocked how bad it was for high contrast sceneries (objects of art was a different story though, here the GFX was slightly better than the A7RII).


Can you provide further details? How was it bad for high contrast scenes?


PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:


Just a few prectical remarks. If you want to create "super-vintage" looking images then a GFX combined with vintage glas for 35mm cameras may be OK. If you, however, want to make use of its resolution without spending too much money you should look at vintage glass for 645 size SLRs - mainly the Mamiya Sekor C or (better) A series for the Mamiya 645, or at glass for the Pentax 645.

I have some limited experience with the GFX 50, using good Mamyia lenses such as the Sekor C 4/80mm Macro, the Sekor A 4/120mm Macro or the two tele lenses 4/210mm and 5.6/300mm. All these lenses are MUCH better suited to the GFX 50 than any vintage glass for 35mm I tried. Most of them are ridiculously cheap these days.

S


Solid advice here if your goal is the best corner performance. You are better off with adapting MF lenses. Although, I use the native GFX lenses when I want the best performance. They are among the best lenses I have ever used. Of course, the price is up there as well with a few exceptions. When you adapt FF lenses some might not vignette, but that doesn't mean the corner performance is good. I have gotten lucky and have one or two FF lenses that are sharp corner to corner at f/8 with no vignetting. They are telephotos. Still, the fast FF lenses can be fun and can deliver a very unique looks especially when it comes to portraits. The Summilux-R 50 ends up being a poor man's Noctilux f/1. The Noctilux even vignettes in a similar way on FF that the Summilux-R vignettes on a 44x33 sensor. Rendering, however, is different.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Advaita wrote:
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For more vintage lens options for the GFX there's a terrific website called Chan's Blog. He provides lots of real world examples and his (translated) commentary is pretty entertaining. Translation bar is on the right side of the site.

GFX search results:
https://chan.nds.hk/blog/?cat=2436


That is a great blog. I wish I found it sooner.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Again, I don't think anyone doubts that the best lenses for a MF camera are... MF lenses. But these are lenses I currently
have and providing pics as a resource may prove helpful for others who already own them or compare with what's listed on the google docs lens list.

Here are some more!

Pentax 135mm f2 (f8 was also fine)


Ricoh/Sears 50mm f2 4:3


Ricoh 50mm f8 4:3


Ricoh 50mm f8 3:2


Nikkor Nikon 80-200 D 80mm f2.8 4:3


Nikon 80-200mm 80mm f2.8 3:2


Nikon 80-200mm 80mm f5.6 4:3


Nikon 80-200mm 200mm f2.8 4:3


Nikon 80-200mm 200mm f2.8 3:2


Nikon 80-200mm 200mm f8 4:3


Nikon 80-200mm f8 3:2


The Nikon is a heavy beast but great optics!


PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Another website with more adapted lenses on GFX. Some of which I've posted. Better photos and commentary though.
Swedish, so Google Translate was needed:

The 35-70mm Minolta/Leica Vari acquitted itself well for instance

https://www-cyberphoto-se.translate.goog/captains-log/minolta-md-35-70mm-f-3-5?_x_tr_sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Advaita wrote:
Another website with more adapted lenses on GFX. Some of which I've posted. Better photos and commentary though.
Swedish, so Google Translate was needed:

The 35-70mm Minolta/Leica Vari acquitted itself well for instance

https://www-cyberphoto-se.translate.goog/captains-log/minolta-md-35-70mm-f-3-5?_x_tr_sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Another useful website.

The Minolta 35-70 behaves pretty much like the other great 35-70 zooms I know about. Heavy vignetting at 35mm that cleans up around 40mm. The Zeiss Contax 35-70 and the later Leica Vario-Elmar 35-70 F4 behave the same. The Zeiss Contax is the only one that at 35mm is better or as good as most primes in the corners even some modern ones (on FF). The Minolta falls short at 35mm compared to the Contax. The later Vario-Elmar from my understanding started design using the front group from the Minolta and then evolved the design. Four out of the eight elements are special glass, and it even has an aspherical lens element. Even with all that it still can't match the Zeiss in the extreme corners at 35mm. They are all pretty excellent at 50mm.

Today with Fuji releasing their own 35-70 zoom for GFX none of these zooms make any sense. You can buy the 35-70 for $500 with a new GFX body or it sells for around $325-425 used. The corner performance stopped down to f/8 will exceed these FF zooms at all focal lengths. The Zeiss Contax sells for about $250-350 and the Vario-Elmar used to sell for around $500 then $700 but those prices are long gone. Now finding one at $1000 is a good deal and they sell for $1200 or more. The older Minolta is the only deal, but performance is behind both the Contax and Vario-Elmar F4.


PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
cbass wrote:
Advaita wrote:
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For more vintage lens options for the GFX there's a terrific website called Chan's Blog. He provides lots of real world examples and his (translated) commentary is pretty entertaining. Translation bar is on the right side of the site.

GFX search results:
https://chan.nds.hk/blog/?cat=2436


That is a great blog. I wish I found it sooner.


Yes, that's a good one.

Has anyone found any information about the Leica Telyt-R 250mm f/4? I'm wondering whether it might be a cheaper alternative to the GFX Fujinon, which, while reportedly excellent, costs more than my camera.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
KEO wrote:
cbass wrote:
Advaita wrote:
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For more vintage lens options for the GFX there's a terrific website called Chan's Blog. He provides lots of real world examples and his (translated) commentary is pretty entertaining. Translation bar is on the right side of the site.

GFX search results:
https://chan.nds.hk/blog/?cat=2436


That is a great blog. I wish I found it sooner.


Yes, that's a good one.

Has anyone found any information about the Leica Telyt-R 250mm f/4? I'm wondering whether it might be a cheaper alternative to the GFX Fujinon, which, while reportedly excellent, costs more than my camera.

You mean the version II with 1.7m MFD?


PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Got a Minolta AF 100mm 2.8 Macro. Relatively inexpensive. Certainly compared to GF lens prices. Just a little vignetting wide open but otherwise great. Neg Chrome Jpegs with only a little exposure adjustment.

f5.6-8ish




2.8


PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
You mean the version II with 1.7m MFD?


Either one, actually.

I wasn't planning on using it close up, although a shorter minimum focus distance is always nice.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
those last pics look like from a decent quality glass

metering could be a bit off thoe


PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:
those last pics look like from a decent quality glass

metering could be a bit off thoe


Still getting used to the camera and had only a little time to spare in the area. This was more about
sensor coverage and general sharpness so I made only minor exposure adjustments in post.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FWIW, I'd dismissed the idea of the 250mm f4 Telyt-R. The images I've seen don't seem like anything special.

The APO Telyt-R 280 f/4 would be great, but that lens costs more than the 250 f4 GFX Fujinon. Smile


I've been shooting with my Zeiss 35mm f/2 Distagon ZS classic (M42 mount), and it's better than I recall from my original testing. There is some vignetting, yes, but it's not bad at all in most situations, and in other situations there's very little vignetting.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KEO wrote:
FWIW, I'd dismissed the idea of the 250mm f4 Telyt-R. The images I've seen don't seem like anything special.

The APO Telyt-R 280 f/4 would be great, but that lens costs more than the 250 f4 GFX Fujinon. Smile


I've been shooting with my Zeiss 35mm f/2 Distagon ZS classic (M42 mount), and it's better than I recall from my original testing. There is some vignetting, yes, but it's not bad at all in most situations, and in other situations there's very little vignetting.


Get a Mamiya Sekor C 5.6/300mm ULD.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
Get a Mamiya Sekor C 5.6/300mm ULD.


I'll check it out. Thanks.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Topcor 58 f/1.8 covers well, although this is not the best picture to illustrate the vignetting so you will have to take my word.

Poor kid is sick, but still humored me.

Image processed to my taste, but like all Topcor's and GFX bodies, very high contrast SOOC.




PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
cbass wrote:
Topcor 58 f/1.8 covers well, although this is not the best picture to illustrate the vignetting so you will have to take my word.

Poor kid is sick, but still humored me.

Image processed to my taste, but like all Topcor's and GFX bodies, very high contrast SOOC.




very nice portrait

lokks almost alike very sharp 120 format from some quality gear


PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KEO wrote:
stevemark wrote:
Get a Mamiya Sekor C 5.6/300mm ULD.


I'll check it out. Thanks.


Definitely an intriguing option. It seems to be highly regarded.


I've been trying out my 200mm f4 AiS Nikkor, and it works very well. When I first tested these lenses, I think I was being overly critical looking for vignetting. There is a little, but only in certain circumstances, like landscape shooting at infinity and f8 (and even then the vignetting is slight). In other circumstances there is little or no vignetting. I find this 200 very usable, in any case.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
cbass wrote:
stevemark wrote:
And testing the GFX50 extensively I was shocked how bad it was for high contrast sceneries (objects of art was a different story though, here the GFX was slightly better than the A7RII).


Can you provide further details? How was it bad for high contrast scenes?


To make it clear: I was talking about JPGs. I have published the corresponding images here on mflenses (don't find the link right now).
Landscape JPGs out of the GFX50 were much less good than those from the A7II / A7RII, and those clearly are less good than those from the 2008 (!) Sony A900. Look at the examples below.

THE FOLLOWING IS COPIED FROM ONE OF MY EARLIER POSTINGS ON THE A7II VS A900:

Typical A900 JPGs (DRO 5) - shadows and highlights basically have the same luminosity, only the colors are different:


And here's a direct comparison. No way the A7II will ever get as nice JPGs as a properly adjusted A900 (both images are JPGs DRO level 5, out of cam, and resized):


Very few people actually have understood the real capabilities of the A900. The A900 has a separate chip for DRO (shadow/highlight) processing (from APICAL / London), unlike any other DSLR / system camera.

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