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Konica Hexanon AR 135mm f2.5 v's Vivitar Series 1 135mm f2.3
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:

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EDIT i'll add a small test of the three "rubber focus ring" 135mm Hexanons tomorrow (AR 2.5/135mm, 3.2/135mm, and 3.5/135mm).


Here it is - as usual a simple comparison "at infinity", using the 24MP FF Sony A7.
http://www.artaphot.ch/konica-ar/lens-tests/505-135mm-ar-hexanons-f25-f32-f35

Not too much information, but better than nothing ...

Stephan


PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
konicamera wrote:
memetph wrote:
stevemark wrote:
Lightshow wrote:
135/2.5, 135/3.2.... What about my 135/3.5? Too many versions out there. Smile


I only know the newer of the two Hexanon 3.5/135mm computations (that one with rubber focusing ring; see Alex Buhl for details: http://www.buhla.de/Foto/Konica/Objektive/e135_35.html); it performs quite similar to the two other lenses from f4 on. It has a tad more CAs than the Hexanon AR 2.5/135mm, and may have a tiny bit less corner resoultion than the Hexanon AR 3.2/135, but one will see these differences only in direct comparison.
In practical photogaphy, of course, the f2.5 dissolves background visibly better than the f3.5, and both the f2.5 as well as the f3.2 focus closer than the f3.5 (1.2m and 1.0m vs 1.5m minimal focusing distance).

Stephan


Any different opinion is welcome !! Wink


There are 4 different Hexanon AR 135mm lenses, one Hexanon ARP (preset) lens, and one Hexar AR 135/3.5 lens. They are (in order of introduction)

- 1) 135/3.5 Hexanon AR. This lens goes back to the Konica�s F-mount era and was first made in 1961. In 1965 it was given a AR mount and it remained in production until about 1970, when it was replaced by the 135/3.2 AR. This lens can be found with an aluminum DOF ring or entirely black. It doesn�t exist with a rubber focusing ring. It has a 4e/4g construction and its aperture closes to f16.

- 2) 135/3.2 Hexanon AR. This lens first appeared in 1970 and was in production until the end of 1977. For the first two years it has an aluminum DOF ring AND a rubber focusing ring (a rare combination among Hexanons - I call them the hybrid lenses and there are 6 different ones). From late 1972, they lost the aluminum DOF ring and were entirely black from then on. It has a 5e/4g construction and its aperture closes to f16.

- 3) 135/f2.5 Hexanon AR. This lens was introduced in early 1973 and was entirely black with a rubber focusing ring from the beginning to the end of production � in late 1981. It has a 5e/4g construction and its aperture closes to f16.

- 4) 135/3.5 Hexar AR. This lens, one of three Hexar AR lenses, was intended as an entry level lens. It is thus less performing, cheaper, and heavier, but still a very respectable lens. It was introduced in early 1975 and produced until 1979. Probably of third-party manufacturer, but I doubt the rumor about Tamron. It has a 4e/4g construction and its aperture closes to f16

- 5) 135/f3.5 Hexanon AR. This lens was introduced in early 1978 and replaced the 135/3.2. It is an entirely different lens from the early 135/3.5 in that it is far more compact, and has a 5e/4g construction, like the 135/3.2. It remained in production until the end of 1981. Its aperture closes to f22

- 6) 135/f3.5 Hexanon ARP. This lens also dates from the F-mount era and was introduced in 1961. It was also given an AR mount in 1965 and remained in production until 1969, or at least was available in trade until that year. It has a 4e/4g construction and 12 aperture blades that close to f22.

How any of these lenses compare to each other, or to those of other manufacturers, in terms of CA, flare control, micro-contrast, sharpness, bokeh, etc, at f2.8, f4, f8, etc. I have never been tempted to explore. They all have their drawbacks and advantages, which are more or less apparent depending on what type of photography they are used for. Nos 1, 2 and 5 were Konica�s 135mm all-purpose workhorse in their respective periods. All three are excellent lenses, but of the three, only the second one has any traits that make it stand out - sharpness and its close focusing distance. The general view among Konica users is that the 135/3.2 is indeed the sharpest of all 135mm Hexanons. No. 3 is known for its pleasant color rendition, for its bokeh and for its propensity for flare, given its shallow light shade and a 62mm wide front element.

Hope this helps.

EDIT No. 6 is obviously not listed by order of introduction. Duh.... Smile


Do you have similar information for the 200mm Hexanons?


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
Do you have similar information for the 200mm Hexanons?

Oeuf corse, vos désirs sont des ordres, monsieur Smile
I created a new thread to keep the two groups of lenses separate: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1487256.html#1487256
Cheers


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
EDIT: I removed stuff I pasted here by mistake.

Last edited by konicamera on Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:20 pm; edited 3 times in total


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
konicamera wrote:
woodrim wrote:
Do you have similar information for the 200mm Hexanons?

Oeuf corse, vos d�sirs sont des ordres, monsieur Smile
I created a new thread to keep the two groups of lenses separate: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1487256.html#1487256
Cheers


Thank you.

You called me a Corsican egg. I had to read about it to understand the joke. I'm slow.


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Laughing no, no, not exactly !

All he did was use phonetically similar French words to say " of course" with a heavy French, from Paris, accent...

Quite clever actually !

" of course sir, your wishes are my commands" was his reply....with a very heavy from Paris accent....

(I do hope Olivier doesn't read this Wink Wink )


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mir wrote:
Laughing Laughing no, no, not exactly !

All he did was use phonetically similar French words to say " of course" with a heavy French, from Paris, accent...

Quite clever actually !

" of course sir, your wishes are my commands" was his reply....with a very heavy from Paris accent....

(I do hope Olivier doesn't read this Wink Wink )


I understood that after I Googled it. It seems it is an old joke to use that expression in the way you described. I had never seen it used before.
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