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Kiev 4a takeup spool
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:15 pm    Post subject: Kiev 4a takeup spool Reply with quote
I bought a new Kiev 4a camera but it does not have a take up spool. Any solutions? Especially one you have used?
Thanks for replies. ....How about from an Exa camera?

I decided to add a photo of the camera. Sorry so late.Embarassed


Last edited by uddhava on Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:03 pm; edited 5 times in total


PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Confused

that's usually fixed, not removable


PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not an authority on 35mm Kievs and I really don't have much experience with them (except for one Kiev 4 which I own), but I think Kievs don't actually have their own take up spools. I just use the spool from the previous film and that works fine for me.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Kiev spool has a slot at the bottom of the spool to take the tongue of the film. A normal 35mm spool from an old cassette will do the job but there is only a little slit in the centre.

Use one of these and tape the film tongue to it. I put my finger on the sticky tape first to reduce the 'tack' so when its rewound it will pull off the spool.

You can usually pick up a spool on ebay. I'll look I may have a spare in a broken camera...
Phil

edit: just looked both cameras have the spool missing sorry


PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
philslizzy wrote:
The Kiev spool has a slot at the bottom of the spool to take the tongue of the film. A normal 35mm spool from an old cassette will do the job but there is only a little slit in the centre.

Use one of these and tape the film tongue to it. I put my finger on the sticky tape first to reduce the 'tack' so when its rewound it will pull off the spool.

You can usually pick up a spool on ebay. I'll look I may have a spare in a broken camera...
Phil

edit: just looked both cameras have the spool missing sorry


How about using a Exa spool? I would have to load the film into the opposite side though.
Or I could pick one up on ebay.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A diy solution here

http://elekm.net/zeiss-ikon/repair/spool.html


PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
philslizzy wrote:
A diy solution here

http://elekm.net/zeiss-ikon/repair/spool.html


Thanks!


PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kansalliskala wrote:
Confused

that's usually fixed, not removable


I believe that is for the 4m and 4am models.
Mine is just 4a, an older model with removable take up spool.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
uddhava wrote:
kansalliskala wrote:
Confused

that's usually fixed, not removable


I believe that is for the 4m and 4am models.
Mine is just 4a, an older model with removable take up spool.


sorry - I never understood the 4 - 4a - 4m -4am lettering,
I think the 4am should be 4ma. Smile


PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kansalliskala wrote:
uddhava wrote:
kansalliskala wrote:
Confused

that's usually fixed, not removable


I believe that is for the 4m and 4am models.
Mine is just 4a, an older model with removable take up spool.


sorry - I never understood the 4 - 4a - 4m -4am lettering,
I think the 4am should be 4ma. Smile


That makes sense.
BTW, is there someplace on the camera where the model is written?


PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
uddhava wrote:
BTW, is there someplace on the camera where the model is written?


Don't know.

But the plastic shutter time dial and hot shoe are easiest to spot?


PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
EXa spool is perfect, I use it also everywhere include Kiev.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
EXa spool is perfect, I use it also everywhere include Kiev.


Thank you, Attila. I loaded some film in it. I am excited, this is a beautiful camera, although a bit worn and has a very nice rangefinder+viewfinder. The shutter seems to be operating properly. The lens is very nice. I need to write down the sunny 16 guide on a card and go out and shoot!


PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
count speeds to half at least on a few frames, majority of them is slower without maintenance. works, works but 1/250 only 1/100 or similar.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
count speeds to half at least on a few frames, majority of them is slower without maintenance. works, works but 1/250 only 1/100 or similar.


I agree with this, mine was a little overexposing. But use sunny 16 for your film anyway, a little over exposure is better than under exposure and as you know, the film latitude will take care of everything else.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
philslizzy wrote:
Attila wrote:
count speeds to half at least on a few frames, majority of them is slower without maintenance. works, works but 1/250 only 1/100 or similar.


I agree with this, mine was a little overexposing. But use sunny 16 for your film anyway, a little over exposure is better than under exposure and as you know, the film latitude will take care of everything else.


Okay, thanks for the tips.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike Elek solution works great!
I have an old FOMA spool with some masking tape ... no problem
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