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Jupiter 9 Samples (Alu M39 version)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
no-X wrote:
Linda Rella: The first pictured lens isn't rangefinder lens, but SLR model. Exactly the version we are talking about Smile

ops! Many thanks!

Well, which version is recommended among the m39 ones (expecially considering to use it on a m4/3 system) ?

regards


PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
On m4/3 you can use both RF and SLR. Take any M39 model (I'd prefer silver one) which you can find in good condition and for good price.


PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
no-X wrote:
Take any M39 model (I'd prefer silver one) which you can find in good condition and for good price.


(BTW m39 versions should be smaller and lighter, better fitting on a m4/3)

many thanks! your advice is so precious!

As far as I can see in the bay, at the moment black version can be found at a good price and in better condition than the silver one (what about this NOS one from 1975?)
Or should I look for a particular year of production or s/n ?

Your preference for the silver one is based on optical performances or on availability and price?

Many thanks


PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Optical quality. Quality control in 196x was much better. There is a lot of lemon copies among the later models.

Check the sharpness difference - silver on the left, black on the right (both at f/2):



PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
no-X wrote:
Linda Rella: The first pictured lens isn't rangefinder lens, but SLR model. Exactly the version we are talking about Smile


And mine looks exactly like that, except black.


PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Marc - Nice cat picture and very sharp! Yes, fine to add here as it's on-topic.

After seeing the images again I'm going to look for the rangefinder version for my FED.

Linda - What are you using the lens for mainly? There are a number of other good lenses in this focal length that can be recommended. And welcome to the forum!


PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
no-X wrote:
Optical quality. Quality control in 196x was much better. There is a lot of lemon copies among the later models.

Check the sharpness difference - silver on the left, black on the right (both at f/2):


The sharpness is good on the older one, but the contrast is fantastic.

I just use a cheap 49mm screw in rubber hood which works great.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
no-X wrote:

Check the sharpness difference - silver on the left, black on the right (both at f/2):


...what an incredible difference.... two completely different lenses!
God bless your competence: I'm going to go for the silver one, from the 60's, following you appreciated advice!

Quote:
Linda - What are you using the lens for mainly? There are a number of other good lenses in this focal length that can be recommended. And welcome to the forum!

Oh, well, first of all, many thanks!

And then, I'm considering this lens as a portrait option for m4/3!

Regards


PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's fair to say, that you can find good black copy, too, but it's more risky Smile


PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
no-X wrote:
Optical quality. Quality control in 196x was much better. There is a lot of lemon copies among the later models.

Check the sharpness difference - silver on the left, black on the right (both at f/2):



Interestingly, I get EXACTLY the same results with my pair of J9's - up to the greenish color cast on the older lens! I have an early black M39 J9 (single-coated, of course) made in 1969, and a new MC M42 version made in 2002.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I see one Jupiter 9 *bay in May but i did not realise it may be the rarest version of J9. This is the only picture i saved. I do not remember it is m39 or m42 but it is sure that it is the SLR version. Does any one see this version before?



PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
I see one Jupiter 9 *bay in May but i did not realise it may be the rarest version of J9. This is the only picture i saved. I remembered it is the m42 SLR version. Does any one see this version before?



This is RF version for M39 screw mount cameras you can't use on any SLR. You can mount and use on m4/3 cameras. A did try one times with Olympus SLR it had very short working distance.

I did use Orio's copy it was a very, very nice lens.

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/russian_lens/jupiter/jupiter_9_8_5cm_contax/


PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
I see one Jupiter 9 *bay in May but i did not realise it may be the rarest version of J9. This is the only picture i saved. I remembered it is the m42 SLR version. Does any one see this version before?



This is RF version for M39 screw mount cameras you can't use on any SLR. You can mount and use on m4/3 cameras. A did try one times with Olympus SLR it had very short working distance.

I did use Orio's copy it was a very, very nice lens.

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/russian_lens/jupiter/jupiter_9_8_5cm_contax/

I see. Thank you Attila! Wink


PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hello everyone (my first post here, please be gentle with me!)
no-X wrote:
screw-mount models of Jupiter-9:

  • Zorki (M39) - rangefinder
    • model KMZ, silver: "F=8,5CM", "Π", e.g. 1956
    • model LZOS silver: "F=8,5CM", "Π", eg. 1960
    • model LZOS(?), black

  • Zenit (M39) - SLR
    • model KMZ, silver: "F=8,5CM", "Π", e.g. 1960
    • model LZOS, silver, "2/85", e.g. 1965
    • model LZOS, black

  • Zenit (M42) - SLR
    • model LZOS, black (wavy focusing ring): např. 1973
    • model LZOS black (knurled focusing ring, serial number is located on lens body): e.g. 1987
    • model LZOS, black + MC (knurled focusing ring, serial number is located on lens body): e.g. 1987

Can you add to the M42 list:
    • model LZOS, silver: "2/85", e.g. 1965

I got hold of this excellent lens recently. The quality is superb!


PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Welcome ! Nice to see you here ! I am glad you like this lens , this is one of my favorite too.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you, atilla. It took me a few shoots to get used to it but it finally 'clicked' with me. Great portraits!


PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here are two aluminum SLR versions. One from '57, the other from '61. The earlier one (on the left) has a more complex spring loaded aperture ring selector and slightly different construction. Much similar to the original zeiss sonnar mechanical design. The second picture is the front element of the earlier design. Both are KMZ make, which is less common because production was shifted to LZOS fairly earlier in the Jupiter 9s life.



(most of the specs you see are actually glass bubbles, not dust)
~Marc


PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
wow you have one with red P and with cm scale WOW! I believe this is best version from all at least this is true for my Helios-40.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
wow you have one with red P and with cm scale WOW! I believe this is best version from all at least this is true for my Helios-40.


Yeah, I have one of those too Rolling Eyes



PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing great ! Do you have later one too ? Did you compare them ? Mine have serial number around 200 and lot more dreamy , creamy than later ones.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice to see this thread still alive.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It seems there is a model made in LZOS in black with a shinning bright on the edge of the wavy focusing ring.
Click here to see on Ebay


PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
btw. a few days ago I recieved silver slim Jupiter-9 (red-P, 8,5cm, KMZ made) with exakta mount Shocked

It must be a professionally converted lens, because there are no side-signs of conversion. Inner part of the exacta mount has proper blackening, infinity focus is exact, all works normally...

I have no use for exakta mount lens (I already have two other silver jupiters), so if any collector wants it, I can miss this lens Smile


PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
no-X wrote:
btw. a few days ago I recieved silver slim Jupiter-9 (red-P, 8,5cm, KMZ made) with exakta mount Shocked

It must be a professionally converted lens, because there are no side-signs of conversion. Inner part of the exacta mount has proper blackening, infinity focus is exact, all works normally...

I have no use for exakta mount lens (I already have two other silver jupiters), so if any collector wants it, I can miss this lens Smile


Please let me know it's price!


PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
the lens has a new master Wink
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