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metallaro1980
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 Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: Jupiter-21M 4/200 vs Canon 70-200 4L |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
Jupiter-21M 4/200 vs Canon 70-200 4L
jupiter-21m @4
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4571391191/sizes/l/
jupiter-21m @8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4572036766/sizes/l/
canon @8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4572019224/sizes/l/
canon @4
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4571371827/sizes/l/
wrong focus with Jupiter-21M @f4...because @f8...I can not see any differences between the 2 lenses...
Am I right ?
what do you think ?
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I cannot view the files but comparing the J-21 to the Canon is not a fair match.
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
sorry !
you must rename the files to .cr2.... you must delete the .tiff extension.
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Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Um, yeah, L series wins this time round IMO 
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metallaro1980
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| Um, yeah, L series wins this time round IMO |
maybe in the borders...but i don't like the colours of this zoom (more warm)
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Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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peterqd
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Jupiter-21M 4/200 vs Canon 70-200 4L |
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peterqd wrote:
metallaro, please can you convert your pics to jpg max 1024 px wide and repost them. There are many members who can't open CR2 files and some on slow connections who can't download 12MB files!!! Thanks very much
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| metallaro1980 wrote: |
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| Um, yeah, L series wins this time round IMO |
maybe in the borders...but i don't like the colours of this zoom (more warm) |
Do you not think the zoom has more resolution throughout though?
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metallaro1980
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| metallaro1980 wrote: |
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| Um, yeah, L series wins this time round IMO |
maybe in the borders...but i don't like the colours of this zoom (more warm) |
Do you not think the zoom has more resolution throughout though? |
yes in the borders...is better...specially @4
the canon is better @4 (borders and center)
@8..the canon is better specially in the borders
and the jupiter-21m has more CA...
I put the jpg on my flickr
1024pixel x 683 pixel
jupiter-21m @4
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4571391191/sizes/l/
jupiter-21m @8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4572036766/sizes/l/
canon @8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4572019224/sizes/l/
canon @4
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4571371827/sizes/l/
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Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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berraneck
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
is point of this test to show that canon is better in all aspects?
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metallaro1980
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
| berraneck wrote: |
| is point of this test to show that canon is better in all aspects? |
but @4 with my jupiter-21m I have in general better results....
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Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
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peterqd
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
| metallaro1980 wrote: |
I put the jpg on my flickr
1024pixel x 683 pixel |
Many thanks. I've edited your first post.
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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egidio wrote:
canon L lenses are often a tough competitor to old mf lenses
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martinsmith99
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
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| but @4 with my jupiter-21m I have in general better results.... |
Looking at the samples I strongly disagree.
The canon is much sharper, more saturation and without CA. Unless these are qualities you'd rather avoid I don't see how the J21 gives better results.
I like Russian lenses, so I'm not out to put them down. As I said, it's not a fair fight when you consider the price difference.
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metallaro1980
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
| martinsmith99 wrote: |
| metallaro1980 wrote: |
| but @4 with my jupiter-21m I have in general better results.... |
Looking at the samples I strongly disagree. |
but there is nothing in focus in the shot taken @4 with jupiter-21m....
mine @4 are these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4514423868/sizes/l/in/set-72157623176244560/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4515897542/sizes/l/in/set-72157623176244560/
and for me are good !
i think that jupiter-21m works better on 5dII...
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Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
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Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
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but there is nothing in focus in the shot taken @4 with jupiter-21m....and for me are good !
i think that jupiter-21m works better on 5dII... |
If nothing is in focus then either the shutter speed is too low or the lens is soft wide open. One problem I've found is that my adapters allow the lens to focus past infinity. If you have this problem too and you have set your lens then this may be the reason that nothing is in focus.
If you prefer the J21 then that's what counts for you.
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metallaro1980
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| Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
| martinsmith99 wrote: |
| metallaro1980 wrote: |
but there is nothing in focus in the shot taken @4 with jupiter-21m....and for me are good !
i think that jupiter-21m works better on 5dII... |
If nothing is in focus then either the shutter speed is too low or the lens is soft wide open. One problem I've found is that my adapters allow the lens to focus past infinity. If you have this problem too and you have set your lens then this may be the reason that nothing is in focus.
If you prefer the J21 then that's what counts for you. |
sorry...
of course the canon is better ! sure sure !
but for what i must do...i like the jupiter-21m results !
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Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
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metallaro1980
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
| martinsmith99 wrote: |
| metallaro1980 wrote: |
but there is nothing in focus in the shot taken @4 with jupiter-21m....and for me are good !
i think that jupiter-21m works better on 5dII... |
If nothing is in focus then either the shutter speed is too low or the lens is soft wide open. One problem I've found is that my adapters allow the lens to focus past infinity. If you have this problem too and you have set your lens then this may be the reason that nothing is in focus.
If you prefer the J21 then that's what counts for you. |
today a woman that she works in a photographic lab saw these pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4991229370/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4991224418/
and this is what she thinks
the two lenses are very close ... but the jupiter-21m has more contrast
but again ... I am not the person that have made this test so probably there is a little of wrong focus in the shot taken with jupiter-21m at @4.
but I use in general the j21 at @11 @8...because I want DOF
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Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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shoenberg3 wrote:
looks like the old lenses at least matches the canon L at F8
F4 is different story
is this the IS version of the canon? |
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metallaro1980
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| Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:57 am Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
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looks like the old lenses at least matches the canon L at F8
F4 is different story
is this the IS version of the canon? |
uhm I don't know...but I don't spend 600-700-800-900 euro for a zoom...
horrible warm colours (roof....glass...)
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Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
canon 70-200 4L @8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4991224418/sizes/o/in/set-72157623976497842/
j21 @8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4991229370/sizes/o/in/set-72157623976497842/
for me the jupiter-21m is better...more saturation..more contrast (the small house on the left)
i think that the canon is not IS version
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Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Wow, zombie thread. I can't even remember this one.
I'. please you like the J21. I now have one and also the Canon 70-200 F4 L. I have used both at a portrait shoot for a comparison and the Canon is a bit better in all terms, but the Jupiter is a very good lens.
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metallaro1980
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
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Wow, zombie thread. I can't even remember this one.
I'. please you like the J21. I now have one and also the Canon 70-200 F4 L. I have used both at a portrait shoot for a comparison and the Canon is a bit better in all terms, but the Jupiter is a very good lens. |
for what i see from my 2 files...my answer is: "No"
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Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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dsmlogger wrote:
Canon obviously has more resolution and handles CA far better than the Jupiter but vignetting @ f/4 is plain awful. |
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