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Ivan Lee
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:49 pm Post subject: I need a lens that maybe does not exist... |
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Ivan Lee wrote:
Please, show me I'm wrong... I need a lens with these characteristics:
-Zoom (with good handling)
-Around 50-135...150mm
-Fast f/2.8 or f/3.5 max
-Sharp
-Good bokeh
-Cheaper than a used Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L
Also, it can't be Nikon, Fujinon or Pentax/Takumar (because of the wrong focus turn)
I will need 2 identical lenses (so it can't be very expensive)
It will be used on a m4/3 camera...
Please, help me, I need this for a project...
Thanks!!!
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izvar wrote:
Hi, Ivan.
Not easy to find one matching your requirements
maybe Tokina AT-X 35-135 f2.8 will fit well
http://jonathanfleming.wordpress.com/tag/tokina-50-135/
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Ivan Lee wrote:
That's a nice suggestion...but I'll need an aperture ring...
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koen kallenberg wrote:
Hello,
I think I might be able to help you out. You can look for the Tokina AT-X 60-120mm f/2.8. The focus rings turns into the direction of the mount (or at least that's what it says in the manual). The bokeh is really quite allright for a zoom lens, and it's easy to use. I have only recently bought it, so I can't give you much samples, but so far I like it.
Here is a page with more info on it
http://www.rokkorfiles.com/60-120mm.htm
And this is the only photo I've taken with it so far
http://www.flickr.com/photos/koen-kallenberg/11211113845/
The only downside to the lens is, that when it's zoomed out to 120mm, and focussed to the minimum focus distance it's quite soft. But you will not notice it at normal portrait distances. |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Any of the many 4/70-150 zooms, with the compromise being the maximum aperture.
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Ivan Lee wrote:
| koen kallenberg wrote: |
Hello,
I think I might be able to help you out. You can look for the Tokina AT-X 60-120mm f/2.8. The focus rings turns into the direction of the mount (or at least that's what it says in the manual). The bokeh is really quite allright for a zoom lens, and it's easy to use. I have only recently bought it, so I can't give you much samples, but so far I like it.
Here is a page with more info on it
http://www.rokkorfiles.com/60-120mm.htm
And this is the only photo I've taken with it so far
http://www.flickr.com/photos/koen-kallenberg/11211113845/
The only downside to the lens is, that when it's zoomed out to 120mm, and focussed to the minimum focus distance it's quite soft. But you will not notice it at normal portrait distances. |
This one looks like a winner
Thank you so much!
how much you payed for it?
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koen kallenberg
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koen kallenberg wrote:
I paid 50 euro for it in pristine condition. But I was lucky and I used a local version of evilbay, so there was less competition of you guys.
Good luck finding it! |
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stingOM
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stingOM wrote:
| Ivan Lee wrote: |
| koen kallenberg wrote: |
Hello,
I think I might be able to help you out. You can look for the Tokina AT-X 60-120mm f/2.8. The focus rings turns into the direction of the mount (or at least that's what it says in the manual). The bokeh is really quite allright for a zoom lens, and it's easy to use. I have only recently bought it, so I can't give you much samples, but so far I like it.
Here is a page with more info on it
http://www.rokkorfiles.com/60-120mm.htm
And this is the only photo I've taken with it so far
http://www.flickr.com/photos/koen-kallenberg/11211113845/
The only downside to the lens is, that when it's zoomed out to 120mm, and focussed to the minimum focus distance it's quite soft. But you will not notice it at normal portrait distances. |
This one looks like a winner
Thank you so much!
how much you payed for it? |
I just got one of these in Nikon mount yesterday as well for €60. Hopefully the seller will be willing to ship to IRL from DE.
Some info here:
http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1028239-1-1-1.html |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Yes, that one http://www.rokkorfiles.com/60-120mm.htm I would also have recommended.
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stingOM wrote:
The other option is to get:
Tamron 28-105mm f2.8
http://betterfamilyphotos.blogspot.ie/2012/05/do-it-all-at-f28-tamron-28-105-28.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=17788&view=previous |
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bernhardas wrote:
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stingOM wrote:
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The lens for you is obviously the Nikon 50-135 3.5.
Check out reports you can find. It is with good reason a cult classic and can be bought today for reasonable prices.
Will post some pictures later |
Seems to be another highly recommended lens:
http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_zoom_02.html |
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calvin83 wrote:
As OP said no Nikkors, I would also recommend a Tokina 60-120 or the Minolta 50-135. However, both seems either not cheap nor uncommon in the Americas.
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bernhardas wrote:
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caspert79 wrote:
Canon FD 50-135mm f/3.5 is very good. |
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hifisapi wrote:
I can vouch for the tokina atx 60-120 f2.8 being a high quality optic but its hard to find and not cheap when you do find it either.
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Oldhand wrote:
This is getting a little long, but you might like to consider Vivitar 70-150 f3.8.
It seems to meet all your requirements and is cheap.
Here is mine:
and an image from it:
Cheers
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Oldhand wrote:
Apologies - double post.
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Ivan Lee wrote:
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| As OP said no Nikkors, I would also recommend a Tokina 60-120 or the Minolta 50-135. However, both seems either not cheap nor uncommon in the Americas. |
Oooops. Reading carefully has advantages.
But I second the Tokina 60-120 2.8 Also a very fine lens. I think it is generally rare. But there is a good copy on eBay about once a month.
Edit  .S. In my version the Tokina focus turns like Nikon, I am not sure if different mounts turn in different direction? |
hmm, anyone that have this lens in another mount could confirm this?
thanks!
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Ivan Lee wrote:
| bernhardas wrote: |
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| As OP said no Nikkors, I would also recommend a Tokina 60-120 or the Minolta 50-135. However, both seems either not cheap nor uncommon in the Americas. |
Oooops. Reading carefully has advantages.
But I second the Tokina 60-120 2.8 Also a very fine lens. I think it is generally rare. But there is a good copy on eBay about once a month.
Edit .S. In my version the Tokina focus turns like Nikon, I am not sure if different mounts turn in different direction? |
sorry, double post
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Konica AR: Hexanon 28/3.5 - Hexanon 50/1.7 - Hexanon 57/1.4
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Ivan Lee wrote:
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| Canon FD 50-135mm f/3.5 is very good. |
Couldn't find a single one on Ebay... what about the 35-105mm? any good?
The Minolta 50-135mm should be a good choice also...
thanks!
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Langstrum wrote:
Even though I don't have this lens now but based on what I've read, you may need the Canon EF 80-200 f/2.8 L. If you're lucky you can buy them with the $500-$600, which is still less than half of a second hand 70-200mm f/2.8 L.
The IQ of this lens is as good as 70-200, except the push-pull mechanism and non-USM, but this lens' owners don't find these as critical points.
I planned to buy 70-200 but I changed my mind and I'll get this 80-200 whenever it's possible to me.
Good luck 
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Langstrum wrote:
You may find useful information from this discussion
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=476726
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Davichin wrote:
I don´t know about the focus turn, but you may want to consider the sigma 50-150 2.8
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