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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:14 am    Post subject: I blame ALL of you!! Reply with quote
You done gone and did it now. You convinced me to go medium format!! I now have a bid in on a Pentacon 6 camera and it is ALL your fault...Well that is what I'm going to tell my wife anyway! Laughing





PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Since this can be blamed directly on each and every member here (except for myself of course) I'll be depending on the afore blamed members to help me out at every turn. Razz Razz


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hopefully it will works, study subjects about overlapping and film transport.

My suggestion is always same Pentax 645+ Pentacon SIX, KIEV-60,KIEV-88 with adapter and Pentax 645 lenses.

Pentacon SIX, KIEV-60,KIEV -88 most of them not works, or not works perfectly.

If you got a working one you will love it I am pretty sure, this was my first camera 25 yrs before.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am glad you willing to shoot again on film , great news!!

Attila wrote:
Hopefully it will works, study subjects about overlapping and film transport.

My suggestion is always same Pentax 645+ Pentacon SIX, KIEV-60,KIEV-88 with adapter and Pentax 645 lenses.

Pentacon SIX, KIEV-60,KIEV -88 most of them not works, or not works perfectly.

If you got a working one you will love it I am pretty sure, this was my first camera 25 yrs before.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Hopefully it will works, study subjects about overlapping and film transport.

My suggestion is always same Pentax 645+ Pentacon SIX, KIEV-60,KIEV-88 with adapter and Pentax 645 lenses.

Pentacon SIX, KIEV-60,KIEV -88 most of them not works, or not works perfectly.

If you got a working one you will love it I am pretty sure, this was my first camera 25 yrs before.


It has a small problem with the shutter not returning all the way to a closed position. My repairman at V-Photo of Atlanta says he'll give a try at repair if I win it! Hopefully It will not be a major problem. I was recently given a copy machine made specifically for photos, negatives and slides. I hope to be able to digitize the negatives from this size camera and get good results for posting and printing. I really like the deliberative nature of shooting film. I must spend more time and effort on all phases of photography as opposed to just shooting away with digital and hoping one turns out good. I must warn now though...I shoot almost always with color film.

My first was a Brownie Hawkeye II in 1954.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Most seller not try camera with film , if it has faulty in film transport it will be lens only a value from this set, not easy or impossible to fix with faulty of film transport. In case of you I not make hurry decision with P6, lens is very common. Camera body I did explain it before.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
According to this guy, it matters more how you load the camera. Might want to read up on what he has to say:

http://www.pentaconsix.com/Loading.htm


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, we are guilty! (But we're not sorry. Wink)


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
cooltouch wrote:
According to this guy, it matters more how you load the camera. Might want to read up on what he has to say:

http://www.pentaconsix.com/Loading.htm


Huh! That's turning the use of film into an ordeal, not pleasure......Bronica ETR or RB67 so simple.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doesn't look that bad a problem loading. Another site says that the grease provided with a new P6 camera gets old and causes the shutter delay problem. CLAing clears it up. I have quite a few P6 lenses and would prefer using a P6 to a Pentax 645 because I have the lenses already. Just to get started you see. Then later if I decide to stay with it I can upgrade. This way is much less expensive.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excalibur wrote:
cooltouch wrote:
According to this guy, it matters more how you load the camera. Might want to read up on what he has to say:

http://www.pentaconsix.com/Loading.htm


Huh! That's turning the use of film into an ordeal, not pleasure......Bronica ETR or RB67 so simple.


Yep, plus the ETR and RB both have lens shutters, which is a major advantage for flash photography. But BD makes a good point. I'd have done the same if I already had a stash of P6 lenses.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big Dawg wrote:
Doesn't look that bad a problem loading. Another site says that the grease provided with a new P6 camera gets old and causes the shutter delay problem. CLAing clears it up. I have quite a few P6 lenses and would prefer using a P6 to a Pentax 645 because I have the lenses already. Just to get started you see. Then later if I decide to stay with it I can upgrade. This way is much less expensive.


I am using all my P6 lenses with a simple adapter ring on P645. Try P6 and upgrade to P645 good plan Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Big Dawg wrote:
Doesn't look that bad a problem loading. Another site says that the grease provided with a new P6 camera gets old and causes the shutter delay problem. CLAing clears it up. I have quite a few P6 lenses and would prefer using a P6 to a Pentax 645 because I have the lenses already. Just to get started you see. Then later if I decide to stay with it I can upgrade. This way is much less expensive.


I am using all my P6 lenses with a simple adapter ring on P645. Try P6 and upgrade to P645 good plan Wink


Which would you recommend? 645 or 645N?


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
645 price is half and with manual lenses no benefits from N I think. Larry and me both use 645.

http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/006Oz2


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
645 price is half and with manual lenses no benefits from N I think. Larry and me both use 645.

http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/006Oz2


That is what I thought as well....and about half price or less of the 645N


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
in term of IQ and price level 645 + P6 lenses are best solution what I know.

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/filmcamera/japanese/pentax_645/?

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/filmcamera/japanese/pentax_645_001/?


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
in term of IQ and price level 645 + P6 lenses are best solution what I know.

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/filmcamera/japanese/pentax_645/?

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/filmcamera/japanese/pentax_645_001/?

The Pentacon 6 auction ends tonight at around 9:00 PM central time US. Win or loose I'm getting a 645 as well. There are several out there (Body only) for less than $200 US with a 120 back.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wise decision finger crossed! Today I did use my P645 with a Flektogon 50, not really big vs other medium format SLR and very pleasant to use. I also have a P6 body I think I did use it once if I remember as well it has film transport problem it makes only 10 frames instead of 12.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Wise decision finger crossed! Today I did use my P645 with a Flektogon 50, not really big vs other medium format SLR and very pleasant to use. I also have a P6 body I think I did use it once if I remember as well it has film transport problem it makes only 10 frames instead of 12.


I'm sorry to hear your P6 has that problem. One of the reasons I stopped buying and collecting Kodak Retinas was because they had so many issues. After getting burned on 2 different ones I quit trying. Well If I win the P6 I'll try it out. If the results are bad then I'll post and sell it with the problems identified so buyers will not be cheated. The 645 does appeal to me and I am glad to see you are a Pentaxian as well!! LOL

I'm looking out for a 50mm Flek as well as that is the one P6 I do not have.


PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Flektogon 50 is a must have lens in medium format , excellent lens on affordable price.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Flektogon 50 is a must have lens in medium format , excellent lens on affordable price.


First things first...The camera and then the lens...LOL Laughing


PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have been reading up on MF/LF lenses and there seems to be a concensus that some of the old aerial lenses are just superb, especially for the prices they can be had for, these three get praised a lot:

Ross WA Xpress f4 5inch
Kodak Aero-Ektar 5inch
Dallmeyer Pentac 8inch

I have two copies of the Ross and it is superb, they seem to have been made in vast numbers during the war for the Air Ministry, both of mine are AM ones and don't mention Ross anywhere. The Aero-Ektar seems pretty common too. The Pentac isn't rare either, I almost snagged one for 8ukp recently on ebay. I paid 11 and 33ukp respectively for my two Ross's and both are in perfect optical condition.

All three should be pretty easy to mount for use on a P6 or 645, although I'd just go for a set of bellows, P6 bellows are common and cheap, around 30ukp BIN is what I usually see them for.

Just a suggestion if you are going to be needing MF lenses now you have stepped back into the film world.

Some samples with one of my Ross's on my 10D, these are wide open and it is very sharp wide open, it was optimised for use that way apparently. Last one is backfocussed a bit but the bricks on the left look pretty sharp. It has a 70 degree coverage so isn't all that wide but it does have a pretty deep DOF, even wide open. No coatings so needs a hood, you can find postwar versions that are coated though, they just coated AM lenses for resale to the public.





I figure they are something a bit different to the obvious Zeiss and Soviet lenses for MF.

P. S. I just realised I forgot to post something to you, I have packed it now and will post tomorrow, sorry, weather has been beautiful here so been making the most of it.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
No problem my friend. Your kindness and generosity have given me infinite patience. Thank you again.
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