View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
jhayashileite
Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Posts: 29 Location: São Paulo, Brasil
|
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:40 pm Post subject: Help with negative scanning |
|
|
jhayashileite wrote:
Hello everyone
Since my post is about scanning 35mm negatives to a computer, I don't know if I'm supposed to post this on the Darkroom or the Digital Darkroom. If this post is misplaced, please move it to the right section. Now let's get to it.
I am a novice film photographer, and I'm using an Epson V330 scanner coupled to a 2007 silver iMac, using Epson's software. My issue is that I have no negative holder, since this scanner has been with my family for a long time and has been at different offices before being home. I've shot about 15 or 20 rolls, and have scanned them by just dropping the negatives in the glass and hoping it was aligned, but I don't feel the scans are as sharp as the negatives seem to be. The seem a bit out of focus. I've searched for a separate holder on eBay and found some for around 30-40 dollars, shipping to Brazil included. I've also started searching for 3D-printed holders, but found none specific to my scanner model.
I would like to know how you people work with negatives and scanners, if you have any knowledge or experience with 3D-printed accessories for scanning, or have gone through the same problems I have described above.
Thank you and have a nice week
Josué _________________ @hayashileite
24, São Paulo, Brasil |
|
Back to top |
|
|
visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11022 Location: California
Expire: 2025-04-11
|
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
visualopsins wrote:
For better results you can use Canon T2i with macro lens, instead of scanner. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
Expire: 2019-08-28
|
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tb_a wrote:
I would not invest in this scanner if you want to scan 35mm negatives. In this discipline this scanner is only mediocre and is unable to deliver really good scans.
For 35mm film format I would recommend to use a dedicated film scanner rather than a flatbed one which offers also special features for dust removal and restoring. However, good film scanners are still rather expensive, even second hand.
Paticularly if you scan negatives the used software for negative to positive conversion is important as well. Silverfast or VueScan are highly recommended.
Alternatively you may try to use a digital camera with special dedicated macro setup for slide copying or alike. That's far cheaper but also more cumbersome. A photo software for conversion and optimization is required as well.
If you don't have too much to scan a scan service may also be a valid option for consideration.
My setup is the Epson Perfection V600 Photo for larger film formats (4.5x6 to 6x9 cm) incl. picture scanning and the Minolta Dimage Scan 5400 for 35mm film, preferable reversal film. VueScan for scanning and Adobe Photoshop for further manipulation. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kansalliskalaCafe
Joined: 23 Jul 2015 Posts: 602 Location: South Finland, countryside
|
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
kansalliskalaCafe wrote:
I'm not sure if this helps you but this is how the holder should look like. This is from a V370 but I think it is the same as V330? If you decide to carv it yourself I can give you some more exact measurements. The film isn't actually very far from the glass considering the curvature of film, less tha 0,5 mm I think.
#1
#2
#3
_________________ (my normal account password still on another computer) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jhayashileite
Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Posts: 29 Location: São Paulo, Brasil
|
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
jhayashileite wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
For better results you can use Canon T2i with macro lens, instead of scanner. |
I have tried and still try scanning negatives with the camera. Although sharpness is improved, the color is always bad when converting it. Is there a software to do it automatically? My Photoshop workflow is still unreliable. _________________ @hayashileite
24, São Paulo, Brasil |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jhayashileite
Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Posts: 29 Location: São Paulo, Brasil
|
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
jhayashileite wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
I would not invest in this scanner if you want to scan 35mm negatives. In this discipline this scanner is only mediocre and is unable to deliver really good scans.
For 35mm film format I would recommend to use a dedicated film scanner rather than a flatbed one which offers also special features for dust removal and restoring. However, good film scanners are still rather expensive, even second hand.
Paticularly if you scan negatives the used software for negative to positive conversion is important as well. Silverfast or VueScan are highly recommended.
Alternatively you may try to use a digital camera with special dedicated macro setup for slide copying or alike. That's far cheaper but also more cumbersome. A photo software for conversion and optimization is required as well.
If you don't have too much to scan a scan service may also be a valid option for consideration.
My setup is the Epson Perfection V600 Photo for larger film formats (4.5x6 to 6x9 cm) incl. picture scanning and the Minolta Dimage Scan 5400 for 35mm film, preferable reversal film. VueScan for scanning and Adobe Photoshop for further manipulation. |
Thanks for the tips.
The V330 is not a scanner I'm considering buying, but is what I've got. What I'm considering buying is the negative holder for it. If a holder does make too much of a difference to be worth buying, that's my question. I know about shooting a raw file of the negatives to process them in Photoshop, but the colors never come out decent. I'm also looking for software that makes the conversion of a photograph, not depending on the scanner. _________________ @hayashileite
24, São Paulo, Brasil |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jhayashileite
Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Posts: 29 Location: São Paulo, Brasil
|
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
jhayashileite wrote:
kansalliskalaCafe wrote: |
I'm not sure if this helps you but this is how the holder should look like. This is from a V370 but I think it is the same as V330? If you decide to carv it yourself I can give you some more exact measurements. The film isn't actually very far from the glass considering the curvature of film, less tha 0,5 mm I think.
#1
#2
#3
|
I've seen those on eBay and that's one of the models I'm considering buying. Thanks for sharing the dimensions of it. Does the negative still keep its curvature after drying? Does it make too much of a difference when scanning? I've had issues with this when photographing the negatives with my camera. _________________ @hayashileite
24, São Paulo, Brasil |
|
Back to top |
|
|
tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
Expire: 2019-08-28
|
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tb_a wrote:
jhayashileite wrote: |
I'm also looking for software that makes the conversion of a photograph, not depending on the scanner. |
Photoshop would be able to do that.
Maybe you check tutorials like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2gLT0SWzpQ
There are others as well. Google helps you further.
Otherwise, if you activate your scanner, software like VueScan is able to do this automatically. There are existing profiles for almost every existing film. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kypfer
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 523 Location: Jersey C.I.
|
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
kypfer wrote:
I use a Canonscan FS4000US on a SCSI interface with VueScan https://www.hamrick.com/ software, which will work almost 6,000 scanners under Windows 10, MacOS or Linux. It's a 4000dpi unit giving an approximate 20Megapixel result from a full-frame 35mm negative or slide. There is a "try-before-you-buy" option that provides all features but watermarks the output, so you can establish if the program can work for you. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11022 Location: California
Expire: 2025-04-11
|
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
visualopsins wrote:
jhayashileite wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
For better results you can use Canon T2i with macro lens, instead of scanner. |
I have tried and still try scanning negatives with the camera. Although sharpness is improved, the color is always bad when converting it. Is there a software to do it automatically? My Photoshop workflow is still unreliable. |
http://www.jeffreysward.com/editorials/colorneg.htm _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
spleenone
Joined: 26 Dec 2009 Posts: 1130 Location: Slovakia
|
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
spleenone wrote:
For better colors of scanned negs or positives are scanners welcome more than digital cameras. I moved from scanning with 600D and lightned from LCD and some macro setup of old CZJ Tessar at f5,6 where was sharpness beautiful to scanning on Epson V600. There I have mixed feelings about sometime mediocre results of 35mm negs but medium format negs and dia films are going through that scanner aswell. Can say that more pastel color and not so efficient contrast are problems anyway but more large format I scan better tiffs are go out of there. Although 4x5 inch and 12,5 x 17,5 cm large format had to stitch but it was not so hard. One can learn it quick. There is better V800. Also speed of my Epson scanner with my 20GB ram are now quite fast then. Rather say faster that I mess with somehow complicated Canon DSLR and all that process. _________________ Shoot on analog mainly with
Nikkor glass
then Pentacon6TL for squares
and Fujica GL690 in case of 6x9
Carpe diem! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jhayashileite
Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Posts: 29 Location: São Paulo, Brasil
|
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
jhayashileite wrote:
A big thank you to everyone that gave me tips on scanning negatives. I have just had my first 120 roll developed and hope to try to do everything I've been recommended. I will try to post my results as soon as possible. _________________ @hayashileite
24, São Paulo, Brasil |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vanylapep
Joined: 03 Jan 2014 Posts: 312
|
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
vanylapep wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
I would not invest in this scanner if you want to scan 35mm negatives. In this discipline this scanner is only mediocre and is unable to deliver really good scans.
For 35mm film format I would recommend to use a dedicated film scanner rather than a flatbed one which offers also special features for dust removal and restoring. However, good film scanners are still rather expensive, even second hand.
Paticularly if you scan negatives the used software for negative to positive conversion is important as well. Silverfast or VueScan are highly recommended.
Alternatively you may try to use a digital camera with special dedicated macro setup for slide copying or alike. That's far cheaper but also more cumbersome. A photo software for conversion and optimization is required as well.
If you don't have too much to scan a scan service may also be a valid option for consideration.
My setup is the Epson Perfection V600 Photo for larger film formats (4.5x6 to 6x9 cm) incl. picture scanning and the Minolta Dimage Scan 5400 for 35mm film, preferable reversal film. VueScan for scanning and Adobe Photoshop for further manipulation. |
I am also own a V600 and VueScan, but I don't see the option to scan negative with VueScan? Is it compatible with the negative rack from the V600? I will be scanning both black and white negative and color negative. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
Expire: 2019-08-28
|
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tb_a wrote:
vanylapep wrote: |
I am also own a V600 and VueScan, but I don't see the option to scan negative with VueScan? Is it compatible with the negative rack from the V600? I will be scanning both black and white negative and color negative. |
Yes, the V600 is fully supported. You have to specify the source and the type of scan (picture/color negative/b&w negative/slide...
The most options are available only in "professional" mode.
Maybe you start here: https://www.hamrick.com/support/ _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
|
Back to top |
|
|
cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
|
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
cooltouch wrote:
jhayashileite wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
For better results you can use Canon T2i with macro lens, instead of scanner. |
I have tried and still try scanning negatives with the camera. Although sharpness is improved, the color is always bad when converting it. Is there a software to do it automatically? My Photoshop workflow is still unreliable. |
It takes a bit of patience to get a good scan of negatives when using Photoshop to convert the scanned negatives. If you google the topic you will find listings where folks show how they've done it.
Here are a couple of threads from this forum by folks who have had good results converting their negatives:
http://forum.mflenses.com/most-accurate-color-negative-to-positive-conversion-method-t66347.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=79545&view=previous _________________ Michael
My Gear List: http://michaelmcbroom.com/photo/gear.html
My Gallery: http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/index.php/
My Flickr Page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11308754@N08/albums
My Music: https://soundcloud.com/michaelmcbroom/albums
My Blog: http://michaelmcbroom.com/blogistan/ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
Expire: 2014-04-21
|
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
Excalibur wrote:
Isn't there anywhere in Brazil that you can get the film developed and scanned cheap?
I have two Epson flat bed scanners one is the V750 but only use them for winning shots as I send the colour neg film off for dev and low scan at a cost of £4 plus postage....The jpgs sent back I consider them proofs (1800px X 1200px) very good for posting on forums etc but not good enough for a large prints or cropping, so I scan any winners on the V750 at 3200dpi using Epson software.
Even cheap Epson flat bed scanners can give good scans for posting on the net scan at 3200 and reduce in Photoshop say at 1000px X 800px with 35mm negs, the best old ones are 3200 and 4990 if you can find one going cheap.
e.g. of scan reduced to 1000px X 800px cheap film Asta Vista (Fuji C200)..seems to look better when you click on it
_________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|