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Gus Helios
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 Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:55 am Post subject: Helios 44M - Images over time |
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Gus Helios wrote:
I really enjoy this lens more than any other in my cheapy collection
Thanks for putting up with more of my Helios Hodge Podge
INDOOR TEST SHOT... I like this one for some reason
WITH RAYNOX MACRO ADAPTOR
DO IT YOURSELF HAIRCUT!
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tkbslc
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tkbslc wrote:
I can tell you like that lens!
I feel the same way. There is just something about the Helios that keeps me using it. It is not even really THAT sharp of a lens compared to others, but it just renders things so nicely. |
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Excalibur
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Excalibur wrote:
Well if you are using a DSLR you get a dirt cheap portrait lens and can get excellent shots as you have shown, for me as a film user it's in competition with all the other standard 50/52/55/58 etc lenses and is inferior to most of them...e.g the standard Olympus 50mm f1.8 for as cheap as £12 would walk over a 44M.
BTW a cheap "poor man's" close up lens is a Meyer 50mm oreston (same as Pentacon 50mm), it can focus down to about 13 inches.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/img463.jpg
and scanned and enlarged:-
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/img470.jpg
I think the results are very good for a £4 lens ( usually found on MTL3s).
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Congratulations Gus!! Amazing pics, very good lens and the models superb (and excelent eyes of the photographer too)
I have the helios 44-3, not so sharp but has something special. . . . .
Agree with the post of the pentacon 1,8/50. Yes focus from 33 cm. It's not so apreciate like it has to be.
To whom doesn't try the pentacon yet, I suggest that do it.
Rino.
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Olivier
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Olivier wrote:
Beautiful portraits Gus !
You're doing a wonderful job with that lens.
Do you use a flash ?
I have this lens since 1980 mounted on my Zenith EM. It stays ont it and it seems it's a mistake. I must try it more seriously on my dslr.
Cheers
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karabud
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karabud wrote:
3,8 beautifull colors!
portraits are good too 
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Laurence wrote:
This PROVES that you don't need a Carl Zeiss lens to take "Carl Zeiss" images.
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Good images. Hard to pick a best one. I have the 44M & the 44-2. I prefer the 44-2 as I find presets easier on a DSLR.
Why is this not as popular on film?
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
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Why is this not as popular on film? |
Well if you want to try 35mm film and short of money, why not get a Russian camera with helios lens, but would have thought most film users are like me and already have 50mm lenses from Nikon, Canon, Pentax or whatever, and getting a 44m or 44-2 etc is just something to play with as it's so cheap, and for me I don't like the swirly bokeh. And why use it when I have From Hexanon to Nikon 50mm primes and excellent zooms covering 35mm to 210mm, which are superior to my version of 44m for sharpness and bokeh.
Also I like my 35mm shots to be as sharp as possible in case I get a good one, that can enlarge to about a 16X20 print.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/179612c9.jpg
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Gus Helios
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:29 am Post subject: Thank to you all... |
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Gus Helios wrote:
Thank you all for taking the time to comment on what is essentially just another of my 'look at me and my helios' threads.
tkbslc - You are right, it just has a nice way about it. It is hard not to like it.
Excaliber and estudleon... Thank you both for the comments, I do have the Pentacon 50 1.8 and really liked the look wide open
for portrait shots when I first got it. Unfortunately the Tair 11A came in right after the Pentacon and it has live on the camera
when the Helios is not there. But thanks to your recommendations I will give the Pentacon a run thru soon.
Thank you.
Oliver - thank you very much. I know I used flash on the sleeping beauty and Hairdo shots. And there may be bounce flash
on the record shots.
You really should try this lens on the DSLR... How is it on film?
Karabud - karabud thank you, I do like the Helios colors... I think it does well in muted and even bright light. But the OOF area
can get a bit crazy in really bright light.
Laurence - You are much to kind with your comments... But, I have a big grin on my face!
Martin - I too have the 44M and 44-2... I am a big fan of the pre-set lenses on my pentax, but the 44-2 has such a tiny
base where it meets the camera that on the M42-K mount adaptor it actually just sits on the adaptor and does not mount
against the body. So it tend to wobble a bit. So the 44M with its big base get more use from me. But I do like the 'look' of
the 44-2 when I do use it.
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Olivier
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Thank to you all... |
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Olivier wrote:
| Gus Helios wrote: |
I know I used flash on the sleeping beauty and Hairdo shots. And there may be bounce flash on the record shots.
You really should try this lens on the DSLR... How is it on film?
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I didn't notice any flash traces on those 2 shots where light is very fine to my eyes.
About film, well, I would have to look after my pictures from the 80's... as my Zenith EM suffers of "curtain malfunction". I used it for Black and White photos as I was able to develop them in the parents' bathroom...  It gave me good portraits and I remember I was able to catch an eagle flying when I visited the "black Perigord". Colours were quite soft, which I liked very much.
About Dslr, I gave it a quick trial yesterday.
1- a bank at F16
2- Same bank at F2. Why is the colour balance different from the previous one, I don't know. I'm wondering wether the split focusing screen I have installed interfere with the light metering.
3- Our dog at F2 (sorry for the basket in the rear...)
4- A Mushroom
Gus, If it bother you that I pollute your post with these pictures, please tell me and I'll suppress them. 
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Gus Helios
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: Hey Oliver |
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Gus Helios wrote:
Hi Oliver, Of course it is OK to post your photos in this thread. Nice to see you put it on the DSLR already. Not sure what happened to the color on those first two. I admittedly do not use F16 very often so I will test to see if I get a color shift, but yours looks more like a WB issue.
Now the Dog and mushroom photos look like my helios. This lens does do well in the light so give it a go in some brighter conditions too.
Also thought I would ask... I have been using the Pentax K20 and was wondering about your Canon 40d. Old m42 lenses can be used with an focus confirm chip? How about metering? How do you meter with the old lenses? And how well do you like the 40d?
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my_photography wrote:
The more I looked at the Helios photos, the more I like them. Can't wait the day when I get hold of one. One of the difficulty I am facing is postage of this lens send to me will be a more than the Helios itself. So, I am still waiting to be able to buy Helios together when I acquired some other lens.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Hey Oliver |
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Olivier wrote:
| Gus Helios wrote: |
| Also thought I would ask... I have been using the Pentax K20 and was wondering about your Canon 40d. Old m42 lenses can be used with an focus confirm chip? How about metering? How do you meter with the old lenses? And how well do you like the 40d? |
1- Yes. I'm using an AF confirm chip adapter M42 to EOS. It works fine (my dog for instance...)
2- Metering. I choose the collimator (often the center one) and meter with evaluative mode. That gives often very good results without having to compensate.
3- Metering with old lenses. I open the diaph at max aperture or up to F5.6, aim the target, focus manually till the metering red spot lights up, reframe the subject, close the diaph to the desired aperture, compensate the exposure and shoot.
About compensate, my AF chip is set to the aperture of 2.0. If I shoot at F4, I compensate by -1/3, F5.6 -2/3, F8 -1 and so on. It's very easy to do with the thumb on the 40D when aiming as it has a quick control dial on the rear of the body.
I think that one of my issues with the upper pics' WB is due to the split focusing screen that I installed to shoot with a non AF confirm PK adapter.
I had no WB with the original screen. I think I'll install it again.
4- I like my 40D, much more than the 400D that my wife has. The 40D has all needed, and is very well adapted to old lenses shooting. For focusing without AF chip, the "Liveview" option is very useful and very precise. I won't change it (or for a FF 5D MkII but think I would try to keep the 40D).
40D's review :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS40D/
Gus, I hope having answered your questions. If any other question needed, don't hesitate, you're welcome ! 
Cheers.
Olivier
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spiralcity
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spiralcity wrote:
I have one and never use it. Im just not a big fan of the bokeh. 
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Olivier
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Olivier wrote:
For Gus.
44M in proxy-photo (55cm min focus). Weather is cloudy, Iso set at 400, Diaph closed one stop at f2.8.
1/ 40D with viewfinder and AF confirm adapter focusing.
The same with LiveView focusing :
2/ Another sample with AF confirm adapter focusing
The same with LiveView
Hope it helps you.
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Excalibur
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Excalibur wrote:
Most of these shots (not macro) were on the same superia 100asa film (used changing bag and reloaded into different cameras), scanned the same time, nothing done in Photoshop.....so I guess the different colours and contrasts are from the lenses and different times of the day.
Tried to keep the flower the same size for each enlargement and you can see from the grain it's a large magnification......just an amateur test for my lenses:-
Canon 28mm bayonet fd f2.8
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/Can28.jpg
Canon fd breechlock 50mm f1.8
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/can50f18.jpg
helios 44m 8 blade
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/helios.jpg
Hexanon 28mm f3.5
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/hex28.jpg
hexanon 40mm f1.8
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/hex40.jpg
hexanon 50mm f1.7
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/hex50f17.jpg
hexanon 135mm f3.5
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/hex135.jpg
meyer 50mm f1.8
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/meyer50.jpg
olympus 50mm f1.8
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/oly50.jpg
Pentax super 135mm f3.5 m42
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/pentax135mmf3-5-1.jpg
Vivitar 28mm f2.8
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/viv28.jpg
Vivitar 75-150 zoom
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/viv75-150.jpg
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