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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: Hasselblad XPan: first shots & mini review: WOW! |
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rbelyell wrote:
i got a great deal on an xpan kit with both the 45/4 and 90/4 lenses. i will sometime post pix of my gear, but its pretty ragged looking, much flaking etc. but the glass is great and the camera operates like a dream. its really well built, but still relatively compact for what it does, which is shoot 35mm film/slides in both normal, single frame or panoramic, double frame! this and my old contax ax are the two most interesting, well engineered cameras ive ever used.
this one just feels great in the hands. it has a low rangefinder profile, which i like more and more. the vf is large and bright, the patch very contrasty. she is very easy to focus, though i think with the 90mm up close it tends to front focus. it operates like a regular RF, except there is a switch for pano mode which takes the 'normal' lens frame line and elongates it to cover two frames of film. in this mode, the 45mm lens becomes a 24mm and the 90 becomes a 50.
again, this is my first roll, kodak elite chrome 100 slide film, which i love. the metering was almost perfect, maybe a tad underexposed, but it was a very bright sunny day, and i thought the metering really did great. the scans are not high resolution, but nonetheless i cannot believe the level of detail, clarity and color. i read this camera produces IQ like a medium format. i didn't believe that, but now i do! i only hope they come through here. below are some results, very minor PP. the first 3 shot with the 45mm, last two with the 90mm. let me know what you think! for me, i'm really really loving this thing!
tony
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_________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Not MF IQ Tony for sure. I am glad you have it and share it here, look forward more ! Even if rough looking it would be nice to see camera too , rare bird! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
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berraneck
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 972 Location: prague, czech republic
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
I think that lack of sharpness and clarity is just a reason of bad scan, because this camera and its lenses are just superb! I´ve tried it for once and it´s on my wishlist.. but the price:( _________________ equipment doesn´t count, good photographs do |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
well, this is exactly what i was worried about when i said in the OP 'i hope it (the IQ) comes through'. obviously it did not, so i'm sorry. perhaps i shouldnt even have posted it. folks can believe me or not, either is ok, but i'm telling you, despite the scan, what i, and others ive showed it to,see on my monitor, and on a loupe with the negatives, is IQ, sharpness, depth and color that rivals medium format. again, i apologize that quality 'did not come through' but it honestly is there in the original. i wish you all could see it. i feel i did the camera a disservice.
tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Scanning is always a serious factor with 35mm , even Laurence 35mm scan on Nikon Coolscan was nowhere close to medium format _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Scanning is always a serious factor with 35mm , even Laurence 35mm scan on Nikon Coolscan was nowhere close to medium format |
There should be no difference between a 135 and a 120 film scan, assuming you're using the same scanner. After all, it's the same lens and the same distance. What makes the difference, and why 135 appears to have more imperfections if you use the same resolution settings for both, is the amount of enlargement needed to bring each negative size up to the same print/image size. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
well, first of all, i did not scan these. i typically have my film developed/high resolution scanned by a company in texas. here, i was so anxious to see the results, i took it to a local lab who flatbed scanned it.
however, my point was, DESPITE the low rez scan, tne results that i saw on my screen were amazing. others who have seen it as i do have also been amazed. perhaps it was the further downsizing to get them on the forum site, perhaps there are differing understanding about the DOF, and thus different expectations (the DOF remains as both 45mm and 90mm despite the pano function increasing FOV), i dont know. what i do know is when i look at the scans, they jump off the screen, the colors are brilliant, and the in focus subjects have a depth and sharpness that rival the medium format gear ive used, and ive used quite a bit. again, i apologize if it didnt translate well, and its ok not to believe me, but i'm just calling it as i see it. please also remember this is my first roll and i personally need to get a better grip on the DOF.
tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Looks like a happy family/friends outing, Tony, I like them. Love the colors and tall view in that first shot. |
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berraneck
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:59 am Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
rbelyell: maybe it´s just some forum function which compresses photos, I really don´t know.
all at all, this is a great camera. congrats for acquiring! _________________ equipment doesn´t count, good photographs do |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
yeah it really is a great camera. any faults are mine and/or in reproducing the results.
having said that, as i have read and some of my first results show, there is a steep learning curve to understand/control DOF. with crop factor digital, like my omd, a 40mm lens becomes an80mm lens but with the DOF of a 40mm lens. this is what ive become used to.
with the xpan, it is the reverse: the 45mm becomes a 24mm, but with the DOF of a 45! the shallow DOF effect is even worse when you use the 90mm lens, as they innately have notoriously shallow DOFs. shots you think will have clarity throughout at 5.6 or even 8.0 fall short. ive read f11-16 are optimal for the 45! i typically shoot a 45 at f2.8-8. knowing the DOF issues, i shot most of these, except the dog, at 5.6-8. obviously i need to reevaluate that, and probably shoot mostly at f11-16. the lenses are so good there is said to be absolutely no degradation at these, and even higher, f stops.
its a learning process, but even considering that, i think the infinity shots and the in focus areas of the others show the tremendous potential of this system, the detail and depth thats possible. the xpan is really a totally unique and extraordinary tool, with superb lenses. i just hope i can get some of the best out of her!
to members who love panos, or who love 'the best' quality, i easily put the results of this system against the contax/zeiss systems ive used (and loved), as well as the several medium format systems ive used. plus it is compact and dual format. something to consider, and i paid not so much more than i did for my old contax ax plus zeiss 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 and ml 24/2.8.
tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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martinsmith99
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
#1, #2 & #4 look sharp, whereas #3 doesn't seem as sharp & #5 looks soft. I suspect a bad scan, as nothing seems sharp in #5, _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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hoanpham
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
Great samples. Great camera.
Hope you can resolve the scanning issue and post some more photos.
Scanning is a time consumption task. |
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mmelvis
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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mmelvis wrote:
Very nice camera and so wide. The new wide format requires you to see the shots in a whole new way. |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
thanks guys!
yes, not only do you have to re-understand DOF, but also re-understand perspective and framing. the entire shooting process has to be re-thought. but the results are worth it.
tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Tony! I think these are awesome for the most part, and I can see you working with the X-Pan
to bring it out to its true potential. Actually, you probably already HAVE brought it to full
potential, since your real-world view on your monitor looks so good! What a GREAT acquisition.
A lot of images get somehow compressed and degraded on this board. But even at that, they
are truly looking very very good. Look at that detail in the second pic, of the metal clip on the
end of the leash.
It also seems typical of this board that when you click on the image for a larger view, it seems
to sharpen up. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:02 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
Thanks larry! So great to see you back on the forum! You would absolutely live this kit and would certainly do it far more justice than i. I am loving it though and think ot will be a go to rig for me for a very long time.
Tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
Thanks larry! So great to see you back on the forum! You would absolutely live this kit and would certainly do it far more justice than i. I am loving it though and think ot will be a go to rig for me for a very long time.
Tony |
Well, I know this might sound facetious, because it it hard to tell about pure quality on web shots. But, I don't know what
it is, but I somehow see something unbelievably special about the images you have rendered from the X-Pan. I just never
thought much about the X-Pan, as my impression was that it was simply a gimmicky camera that put out some kind of
pseudo-panorama.
When I hear from you how good they are in front of your eyes, then I KNOW something special is going on. I have the
feeling that this camera is a saga just starting to form in your repertoire. I'm waiting for the shoe to drop, and to possibly
wonder if this could equal medium format? I know, I know....blasphemy. But if I take into account the wide, wide view and
the clarity that you have been experiencing, it almost seems like it could be sort of a 6x17 type camera. Am I all washed
up in this view? _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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luisalegria
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Welcome to medium format ! _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
Oh yeah, its totally like a 6x17 MF, only totally portable! As you know larry
ive had a hankering for some time to shoot 6x12 for both pano and street scenes, but could not find something whose size and cost i was comfortable with. I saw some xpan results on the Rangefinder forum and they blew me away. Read some reviews that favorably compared the IQ to medium format. Then i saw this amazing deal on ebay and jumped at it. Im in the process of shooting my 2nd 3rd and 4th rolls right now and the kit really is a gas.
Tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Wow, I see what you mean by shallow depth of field! Image #4, of the people together: The focus is beautiful
on the foreground girl. The focus seems to be falling off on the people behind her, and they are not very far
into the background. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
Yeah and that was either 5.6 or 8.0! Ive started shooting pano at f16-22 with these new rolls. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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