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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:49 pm Post subject: Few lenses and a bellows - All Konica |
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guardian wrote:
Guys just won this auction:
Click here to see on Ebay then click see original listing
While I like the lenses just fine, I already own a copy of each. The real juice here for me was the bellows. It will be my first 35mm bellows.
I contacted the seller prior to bidding. The bellows is Konica AR both ends. You can mount a Konica AR lens onto the front, and the rear of the bellows mates with any Konica AR camera . . . or . . . via adapter . . . with my mirrorless camera . . I hope.
I'm really green where bellows are concerned. Candidly bought this on gut feel . . . . which surely could be off the mark.
How did I do? Does that bellows look to you like the real deal? Or did I make a bellows beginner's mistake? |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I did fix you post, due Ebay link will gone soon and this post will visible for years later.
Any of Konica lenses or bellow not a 60 USD value... and you got three items for ~ 60 USD
Congrats!! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 1:47 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
You got a few lens and a bellows set for under $60 I would call that a great deal. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
Thanks, guys. I really appreciate your very kind remarks.
Candidly, regarding the lenses, here in USA only the Hexanon 35mm is at all noteworthy or has much value. And it's just good but not great in terms of marketplace interest. I'm well aware Hexanon 50mm 1.7s are excellent lenses. But here they are ubiquitous. Three or four come up for auction every day! It's a good lens, sure, but here not a special lens at all. The other two lens pieces are equally pedestrian.
Thus, again, it was the bellows that caused me to bid as I did. And it was a shot in the dark. I didn't (and still don't) know enough about bellows brands, quality, and so forth, to bid intelligently.
I did have a tiny bit of good news on the bellows from the seller this morning. He e-mailed me with the warning to watch out for the bellows manual he has enclosed in my shipment. It is heartening to learn somebody took the time and went to the effort to write such a manual in the first place.
The only other noteworthy item in the auction is that lens hood. If it turns out to be one of the old metal genuine Konica hoods, I will be happy to have it. You cannot own too many of those. |
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kenetik
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 521
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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kenetik wrote:
The Hex 35 2.8 often goes for as much as you spent on the whole auction, so I think you did well. _________________ ________________________________________________________
I buy lots of lenses and sometimes I even use them... |
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pdccameras
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 825 Location: Putnam, CT
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
Congratulations on a nice deal.
Just from the photo, assuming the bellows is in good working order, it seems well made to me.
The adjustment knobs look large and easy to grasp. The bellows itself is protected when closed and relatively compact. The single track looks like a sturdy dovetail design with what looks like a nice big white Delrin (Nylon) bearing surface. The gear rack seems to have a nice deep cut. Without the seeing the mating pinon gear it is hard to tell its condition.
Best of luck.
Paul _________________ Canon 5D Mii, Canon 40D, Canon 350D IR, Sony A7 Mii, Sony Alpha-6000, a ton of lenses: AF & MF and too many cameras to count, all formats: 110 - 4x5. |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:25 am Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
Hey, guys (most recent two posts which I'm only just seeing now) . . many thanks! I appreciate your remarks, especially regarding the bellows. Fingers are crossed!!
On the 35/2.8, I suppose it's true these lenses can go fairly high. Everything depends on condition. It is a good lens, no question. Thing is, I would not have bid at all to obtain only the lenses. I wanted that bellows but cannot really explain why. I'm not even sure it tilts!!
The only other bellows camera I own is my Graflex. It has an extremely slick, sexy, bellows. But it is, of course, a large format camera. Bellows, optically speaking, are very, very cool IMHO.
Remember: Tilt lenses . . . . not pinball machines! |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
The lenses and bellows arrived today. I knew, before bidding, the bellows had Konica AR fittings front and rear.
What I did not know is that the bellows itself, the entire thing, was made by Konica! It is, as you would anticipate, well made and really quite a striking piece of Konica gear. The accompanying Konica instruction booklet mentions many of the Konica AR lenses we all own from "back in the day". The bellows is designed to operate with all of them, though with a different photographic outcome of course depending on the AR lens selected. The bellows should attach to my mirrorless camera, using a standard adapter, without any drama at all.
The lenses were a mixed lot. The most important lens, the Konica AR 35mm f2.8, is pristine. It is almost like new. The hood is a Konica metal hood labelled 35mm. So it's a set and pretty great.
The other lenses are merely in OK condition. The 50mm f1.7 looks just OK. A negative: somebody either took it apart or attempted to do so. That's never good.
The Sun lens is also in OK shape, at best. It shows quite a bit of use.
You buy a lot like this almost blind. Considering everything I'm quite pleased. If things had been the other way around, if the 35mm had been heavily used and merely in OK shape . . well . . that would not have been so great. It's good to be lucky, even when it's pure dumb luck. And I really like the bellows and like that it is made by Konica. It will add a bit of versatility to many Konica AR lenses I already own. |
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kenetik
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 521
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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kenetik wrote:
That's great guardian. I saw a Minolta bellows at a store recently for peanuts and still kick myself I didn't pick it up (it was gone next time). Konica is a company that makes beautiful things. If you have lba at all, or are a collector, it's hard not to covet their stuff. The Hexanon and Hexar style is just really refined, precise and aesthetically pleasing. The amount of Konica equipment out there is also attracting. If I wanted to collect every Minolta lens and I would need a new house, but Konica's line is smaller and more attainable, albeit with some rare outliers you hardly ever see.
Add to that they make great cameras, lenses and accessories and you have a collector's dream. I am interested in seeing some output from your bellows! _________________ ________________________________________________________
I buy lots of lenses and sometimes I even use them... |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 7:01 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
I picked up the konica 35mm Hood recently and I don't have any Konica lenses... _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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kenetik
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 521
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 7:14 am Post subject: |
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kenetik wrote:
Score one for Konica, mo! I actually just ordered their vintage extension tube set with a reversal ring. I don't know if I will use them, but I love the little leather cases. _________________ ________________________________________________________
I buy lots of lenses and sometimes I even use them... |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 7:32 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Mine had the leather case as well,it was in better condition than the hood which had rough edges,no big deal really. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 11:27 am Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
Great stuff, guys!
The genuine Konica metal (I think aluminium) hoods, labelled "Konica" and engraved as to lens focal length, customarily go for between $5 and $10 here in the USA. It's great when you also can get the hood case, along with the hood itself. The hoods are soft and the case offers a degree of protection.
I've been doing a bit of sleuthing on my Konica bellows. Mine is called a "Konica bellows 3". This is the latest version of which I'm aware. There are also "Konica bellows 2" versions. These seem to be selling for circa US$20 here, give or take. I've not yet seen a Konica bellows 3 offered for sale alone. But Konica bellows prices are all over the place, with some completed sales having gone quite high.
As mentioned above, I also received the original Konica instruction manual for the bellows (even though this was not mentioned in the auction itself). The instruction manuals are quite useful and interesting, with a great many lens references. They sell here for circa US$10-US$20 . . . just for the manual! The one I received is in very nice shape.
Yesterday I outfitted my new bellows with covers, front and rear. Fortunately I had these on hand to serve on Konica lenses and camera bodies I purchase from time to time.
It's fun owning the bellows, which is quite heavy by the way I think cast iron. If you smacked somebody over the head with that bellows just right you might kill them. It's that heavy!
Next on my list of "must have" Konica accessories is their slide copier. The slide copier mounts onto the front of a Konica bellows. It is a most interesting looking piece of Konica gear. There is provision for copying slides and also roll film. |
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kenetik
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 521
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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kenetik wrote:
Guardian, your post inspired me to order a Konica Bellows yesterday and I also will be receiving the Bellows 3. In Ex from KEH it was $39. Goid to know it is so solidly made. bhula.de indicates the plastic track is the only weak point. I like that you can reverse the front plate and mount hexanons with the ubiquitous 55mm thread backwards. Give us some shots, mine won't be here for a while! _________________ ________________________________________________________
I buy lots of lenses and sometimes I even use them... |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
kenetik wrote: |
Guardian, your post inspired me to order a Konica Bellows yesterday and I also will be receiving the Bellows 3. In Ex from KEH it was $39. Goid to know it is so solidly made. bhula.de indicates the plastic track is the only weak point. I like that you can reverse the front plate and mount hexanons with the ubiquitous 55mm thread backwards. Give us some shots, mine won't be here for a while! |
Congrats. I think you will enjoy the bellows!!
The only plastic visible in mine is the bearing inserts for the sliders, both front and rear. They are white in colour and I would guess they are nylon or delrin or some other slippery, durable plastic. The bearing pair is the (relatively soft) nylon (or whatever) sliding on the harder metallic base. I cannot conjure a better design. I'd prefer this to, for example, brass on steel.
I don't really know of which metal the base of the bellows is made. It is non-magnetic, so it's not steel, and it's not cast iron either as I earlier had supposed. It seems too heavy to be aluminium, but after further examination I guess it might be, or else some sort of non-ferrous alloy.
I just took a look at the various bellows on sale over at KEH. Seems to me you did right well. I much prefer a single rail bellows like the KB3 to multiple rail designs. Just a tiny bit of mis-alignment with the latter and you're in a world of hurt.
For sake of comparison, I would rate the condition of my bellows as good++ or excellent minus. It's not perfect, but it's fine. I do wish my bellows still had its little name plate, though, with the Konica brand. The plate was glued on and it came free before I received the bellows. I can see the name plate in the bellows photos in my instruction manual, but I don't have one. Fortunately, having the manual, I can nevertheless prove my KB3 is a genuine KB3 and not something else. |
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kenetik
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 521
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:49 am Post subject: |
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kenetik wrote:
Hey Guardian, my copy of the Auto Bellows 3 AR arrived today. It's a pretty sweet setup. If you have time and ever feel like scanning/taking shots of the manual, well, I wouldn't complain!
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kawasakiguy37
Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 2:48 am Post subject: |
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kawasakiguy37 wrote:
How sturdy would you say the bellows is? Strong enough to mount a decent sized telephoto? _________________ Nikkor
75-150 series E
105 2.0 DC
28 2.0 AIS
T-mount bellows + Spiratone 75mm Flat Field macro
300 4.0 CZJ F |
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kenetik
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 521
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:44 am Post subject: |
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kenetik wrote:
kawasakiguy37 wrote: |
How sturdy would you say the bellows is? Strong enough to mount a decent sized telephoto? |
I didn't know the answer to your question, Kawasaki, I just received the bellows today. So I decided to risk it all and try it. I mounted the heaviest AR mount lens I have (80-200 - 2lbs 8 ounces) to the bellows, extended to 200mm. The bellows was fine and adjustment with the knobs was still very easy.
Below are a couple of shots of the setup using what I had at hand . The bellows effectively reduced the mfd of the 80-200 to < half the normal 6 feet.
Enjoy - Ken _________________ ________________________________________________________
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