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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: fed 2(b) or zorki 6 or ... |
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fish4570 wrote:
seems i'll never be able to afford another leica, so i have a craving for a manual rangefinder with some gravitas. could be a canon IIa or III might be affordable, too. but among the FSU products, which do you guys most favor? i'm looking for most reliable ... _________________ Paul
I chase Light
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I have a FED2. Nice camera, but I wouldn't class as reliable.
What kind of features do you want (meter/manual exposure/interchangeable lenses)? There are so many to chose from it's difficult to recommend. With the prices of Canon RFs at the moment, they look tempting. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
no meter. i don't like batteries. leica screw mount-type is desireable because of lens availibility and cost efficiency. i have a couple of canons (IIa and III) on e-bay watch. the FSU products, i reckon, just fascinate me. but i'll stay away if reliability is an issue. i like a camera to be jeep/pickup truck tough and jeep/pickup truck simple. that's why i like my praktica so much, but i sure can't stow it in a jacket pocket.
could be the minolta a5 that is supposed to arrive soon will have to do for a while. but sigh, all of those FSU screwmount lenses floating out there ... _________________ Paul
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fish4570
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
the voigtlander bessa r also intrigues me since i discovered its existence on this site and others. the FSU cameras are just so affordable ... _________________ Paul
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
If you do go down the FED/Zorki route, try one from www.fedka.com as these are CLA'd and should cause less issues than the ones on efray. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
Fed 4L or Zorki 4K are maybe the best bets, especially if bought in the UK and from the time when the importer actually checked them before distribution (I think that's pre- 85, but others may know better). But they're all a bit unpredictable, although they're still cheap enough not to be a disaster.
The Zorki has a better lens and the v/f is great if you don't wear specs. If you do, then it's a nightmare!
Best buy interchangeable lens r/f is the CV Bessa R. Great v/f, a mechanical shutter and a meter that's not part of the operating system. Lightweight as well. Ebay prices for a body seem to run well under £150, less for a scruffy one.Bought mine s/h about 5 years ago and it's never given me a moment's trouble, although when I got it the r/f images were slightly displaced vertically. That's supposed to be a common "fault" but it doesn't affact accuracy and I've never bothered to get it adjusted. The black paint finish comes of quite easily, something which I believe has ben fixed on later models. I'd happily buy another one if I lost mine.
But, and I do understand this factor, it has a very "modern" feel about it that makes it very different to an earlier screw Leica, Canon or whatever else. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
I have a Fed 3 I don't use very much, that I'm thinking of selling. Perhaps it's too modern & ugly But I bought it from a camera repair guy and it's been reliable so far *touch wood* and I have an Industar 61 and Jupiter 12 for it. Turns out the idea of a FSU screw mount was more enticing than the reality for me.
The rules about when I can change shutter speed, plus the warnings about having the sun burn holes in the shutter, plus the reality of not really having interchangeable lenses has meant that I've used leaf shutter fixed lens range finders much more.
_________________ -Jussi
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
i much prefer manual stuff but i have a weak spot for the little konica c35. i had a new one many years ago, and it was a joy. i have my eye on one in e-bay ... _________________ Paul
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fish4570
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
just got word the minolta a5 was shipped yesterday. busting a gut here ... _________________ Paul
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
the minolta a5 i received today will suffice - for a while. _________________ Paul
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
This look excellent:
http://fedka.com/catalog/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=566&reviews_id=166
The Zorki 3 has a "classic style" and the rangefinder is far better than on the dull and small FEDs and Zorki-1 |
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
thst is a beautiful speciman ... _________________ Paul
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Kamerer
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: fed 2(b) or zorki 4 or ... |
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Kamerer wrote:
Zorki-6 is more convenient. _________________
Sony NEX-3 + NEX C3
MC Helios-44M-4
VMC Vivitar 28-90/2.8-3.5 Ser1
Pentakta 2/30
My texts are translated by the electronic translator. Best regards, Sergey.
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mflex-on
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: fed 2(b) or zorki 4 or ... |
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mflex-on wrote:
Kamerer wrote: |
Zorki-6 is more convenient. |
It depends. The viewfinder is not so nice I think ... |
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Kamerer
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: fed 2(b) or zorki 4 or ... |
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Kamerer wrote:
mflex-on wrote: |
Kamerer wrote: |
Zorki-6 is more convenient. |
It depends. The viewfinder is not so nice I think ... |
The boundaries of the frame can be seen well, the rear roof is on hinges. _________________
Sony NEX-3 + NEX C3
MC Helios-44M-4
VMC Vivitar 28-90/2.8-3.5 Ser1
Pentakta 2/30
My texts are translated by the electronic translator. Best regards, Sergey.
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
among the fsu rangefinders, which has the brightest, easiest to use viewfinder? and which has the most trustworthy shutter? _________________ Paul
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Kamerer
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Kamerer wrote:
fish4570 wrote: |
among the fsu rangefinders, which has the brightest, easiest to use viewfinder? and which has the most trustworthy shutter? |
There FED-5C is the framework. And the reliability of tissue shutter in FED / Zorki about the same. _________________
Sony NEX-3 + NEX C3
MC Helios-44M-4
VMC Vivitar 28-90/2.8-3.5 Ser1
Pentakta 2/30
My texts are translated by the electronic translator. Best regards, Sergey.
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:16 am Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
fed 2b brightest, i have read, and zorki 6 most contrasty ... or is it fed most contrasty, zorki brightest? _________________ Paul
I chase Light
http://blackcreekjournal.blogspot.com/
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dee
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 55 Location: london south
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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dee wrote:
The most important point is to buy a serviced camera from Oleg or Cupog - this will give the most chance of reliability .
These are old cameras - Zorki 6 is comparitively rare , Fed 2 plentiful , Zorki 4 - exported all over .
I would still suggest Zorki 4 [ early ] with engraved shutter dial , serviced .
Especially with a Jupiter 8 .
Though I love my Kiev II . |
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Kamerer
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Kamerer wrote:
fish4570 wrote: |
fed 2b brightest, i have read, and zorki 6 most contrasty ... or is it fed most contrasty, zorki brightest? |
I did not see much difference. Both diopter correction slips easily. _________________
Sony NEX-3 + NEX C3
MC Helios-44M-4
VMC Vivitar 28-90/2.8-3.5 Ser1
Pentakta 2/30
My texts are translated by the electronic translator. Best regards, Sergey.
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Kamerer
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Kamerer wrote:
dee wrote: |
The most important point is to buy a serviced camera from Oleg or Cupog - this will give the most chance of reliability .
These are old cameras - Zorki 6 is comparitively rare , Fed 2 plentiful , Zorki 4 - exported all over .
I would still suggest Zorki 4 [ early ] with engraved shutter dial , serviced .
Especially with a Jupiter 8 .
Though I love my Kiev II . |
We learn how to repair many of these cameras.
http://www.rangefinder.ru/club/viewforum.php?f=9
Zorki-6 is easy to buy.
http://molotok.ru/search.php?string=%D0%97%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-6&order=p&change_view=1
In Zorki-4 bad frame borders are visible in the viewfinder.
In Kiev-2 no Sync flash. _________________
Sony NEX-3 + NEX C3
MC Helios-44M-4
VMC Vivitar 28-90/2.8-3.5 Ser1
Pentakta 2/30
My texts are translated by the electronic translator. Best regards, Sergey.
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
thanks for the repair advice, kamerer, but my fine motor skills have deteriorated to the point i could not take on most such repairs, even simple ones, so ruggedness is important ... _________________ Paul
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fish4570
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
do the dioper adjustments really work on the fsu rangefinders? that would be very helpful to my farsighted right eye. and do the early canon rangefinders, and the "p" have diopter levers? _________________ Paul
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Kamerer
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Kamerer wrote:
fish4570 wrote: |
thanks for the repair advice, kamerer, but my fine motor skills have deteriorated to the point i could not take on most such repairs, even simple ones, so ruggedness is important ... |
In Ukraine there are handyman on camera, which often sells Soviet cameras, the last full recovery. Perhaps he would agree to send you mail device?
http://www.rangefinder.ru/club/viewtopic.php?t=7835
His nickname: "Comrade Michelson"
http://translate.google.ru/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rangefinder.ru%2Fclub%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D7835&sl=ru&tl=en _________________
Sony NEX-3 + NEX C3
MC Helios-44M-4
VMC Vivitar 28-90/2.8-3.5 Ser1
Pentakta 2/30
My texts are translated by the electronic translator. Best regards, Sergey.
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
thanks much again, kam. _________________ Paul
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