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WNG555
Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Posts: 784 Location: Arrid-Zone-A, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
Have you seen this 'mega' thread?
http://forum.mflenses.com/your-best-28-and-how-you-got-there-t45236,start,15.html
As for your Hoya, if it's the one I think it is, you already have a very good to excellent (vintage) lens.
8 bladed aperture? Stopping down it looks like a circular saw blade? When flares show, you get 8 teeth-like points?
Made by Tokina, and Tokina sells it as Tokina RMC instead of Hoya HMC. Also made for other brands like Vivitar and Soligor, etc.
I have an older version that is single-coated. And it's excellent for landscapes. As is their 35mm f/2.8.
I believe these are 7 elements in 7 groups optical formula. I think they are superior to the later 5 by 5 designs.
And that seems to be the consensus.
I've found the 5/5 to have very good near-field focus, but poor sharpness at far-field focus. The 7/7 are much better edge to edge and excels for landscapes.
My best is a Konica Hexanon AR 28mm f/3.5 (7x7 version). Very sharp and accurate color. It's multi-coated too, and I have the Konica matching hood for it. (You should ALWAYS shoot with a hood for older lenses!)
This older model is considered better than the last 5/5 model.
Minoltas, as mentioned above....many versions over the years, and even formula changes within the same model.
The last release of the MD 28mm f/2.8 isn't as good (5/5). Earlier MC W.Rokkor-SI is f2.5, radioactive (9/7), and the best 28mm f/2.8 was the MD W.Rokkor-X. It's a 7/7 and the same lens was sold by Leica. It's expensive if you should find one. The f/2.5 SI is also pricey.
I picked up the Celtic copy, which is actually identical to the Rokkor, down to the MD coatings and construction. [EDIT] 55mm filter diameter assures the correct version. Learned that there were 49mm 7/7 W.Rokkor/Celtic versions. These used more plastic, and the last 5/5 version looks identical.
It's a superb all-around 28mm, with excellent resolution, micro-contrast and color rendering. A bit cooler, but vibrant.
These are my top 3 favorite 28mm f/2.8, based on performance.
Fourth is a Tamron 28mm f/2.5 02B Adaptall-2. Excellent build, easy to shoot with, cool colors, but flare prone. This hurt it the most, as it shoots landscapes very well.
Other 28s that come highly recommended, but fell short of expectation and results....
Vivitar 28mm f/2.5 by Kino: avoid it! Terrible wide open, lots of aberrations, and fringing. Must be stopped down to get sharp and clean up the image, but the landscapes look crappy. Flattened and lifeless.
Vivitar 28mm f/2.8 Close-Focus by Komine: a 5x5 design, and compact. Center sharp, edges smeared. Poor landscapes from it. Great results from close up and short distances like group shots. Didn't live up to the hype for expansive photos. (perhaps I have a worn copy, saw the results of a pristine copy and the images are outstanding.)
Super Takumar 28mm f/3.5 (both 58mm and S-M-C 49mm diameter versions) Like the Komine Vivitar above, great lens for up close, but landscapes were less satisfactory. Although I've seen others get excellent results shooting cityscapes with this lens. Just didn't work out for me.
I have hoods for use on all my older manual focus lenses. I have a collapsible rubber wide-angle model that doesn't vignette.
They are cheap on ebay, and worth getting. _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
Sony ILCE-6000, SELP1650, SEL1855, SEL55210, SEL5018. Sigma 19/30/60mm f2.8 EX DN Art.
Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
And a bunch of Manual-Focus Lenses
My Flickr
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asfethan
Joined: 08 Apr 2014 Posts: 74 Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:39 am Post subject: |
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asfethan wrote:
So I'm back with some experience. I ended with 24mm lens Tamron 01BB and I'm happy with it.
There are also important things I learned about landscape photography. The correct hood for wide-angle lens is a must-have.
Also polarizing filter is base equipment for landscape photographer so I bought Marumi DHG for my Tamron.
It has 55mm diameter and via step-down ring I can use it on my 28mm Hoya too.
And there are some examples captured with Tamron.
And something with Marumi DHG C-PL mounted on.
_________________ best regards, Jaroslav
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Pentax K10D
lenses
Hoya HMC wide-auto f2.8/28mm (PK)
Auto Chinon Multi-Coated f1.4/50mm (PK)
SMC Pentax-A f1.7/50mm (PK)
Porst Tele MC auto D f2.8/135mm (M42)
Hoya HMC tele-auto f3.5/200mm (PK)
Hoya HMC zoom f4/80-200mm (PK)
software
RawTherapee
Gimp
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pinholecam
Joined: 26 Nov 2012 Posts: 223
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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pinholecam wrote:
Pentax K28/3.5.
Very good for the price.
Constructing the urban future by jenkwang, on Flickr
There is a full sized sample on my Flickr. _________________ Flickr - https://flic.kr/s/aHsjYTLu26
APAD - http://bit.ly/1zv8ZMK |
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gaeger
Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Posts: 722 Location: Brier, Wash.
Expire: 2021-03-09
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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gaeger wrote:
No love for the Nikkor 28mm f3.5? You can get the AI and Ai-S versions for a song.
_________________ "Here's to the wonder" -- Alan Boyle
Nikkor/Nikon 20, 24, 28, 35, 50, 55, 85, 105, 135, 180, 200, 300, 10-20, 18-35, 18-55, 28-50, 28-70, 24-85, 35-200, 50-300, 75-150, 80-200, 70-210, 70-300, 200-500
Minolta Rokkor 24, 28, 35, 45, 50, 58, 100, 135, 50-135, 300
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 940 Location: Poland
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
gaeger wrote: |
No love for the Nikkor 28mm f3.5? You can get the AI and Ai-S versions for a song.
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I don't have it but I could love it ! Nice picture.
asfethan, not much water in the Danube in this season !!
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
@asfethan
those look excellent _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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WNG555
Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Posts: 784 Location: Arrid-Zone-A, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
Excellent asfethan! I especially like the last two.
The Tamron 01BB is a superb 24mm. One of the best out there.
Love my copy...enough to buy their 28mm 02B. As mentioned, if it wasn't so prone to flare, it would be one of my favorite 28s. _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
Sony ILCE-6000, SELP1650, SEL1855, SEL55210, SEL5018. Sigma 19/30/60mm f2.8 EX DN Art.
Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
And a bunch of Manual-Focus Lenses
My Flickr
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asfethan
Joined: 08 Apr 2014 Posts: 74 Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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asfethan wrote:
@pinholecam
This lens was recommended in this thread and I couldn't find one nice piece on evil bay. Sure I didn't look for it every day Its reputation is great and it's very good performer as I can see.
@memetph
Yes, it's very hot here for this location. Today we had about 38°C in Bratislava. I walked through that underpass yesterday after beer session
@uhoh7
Thanks a lot!
@WNG555
Thanks and I share that opinion but I think the Hoya is a little bit better in contrast.
For me the lens flare isn't so big deal after experience gain I mentioned.
In harsh light conditions during mid-day I'm using C-PL and its usage rules prevent such conditions where lens is prone to flare.
Also the lens hood is a must-have for wide-angle lens. _________________ best regards, Jaroslav
flickr
camera
Pentax K10D
lenses
Hoya HMC wide-auto f2.8/28mm (PK)
Auto Chinon Multi-Coated f1.4/50mm (PK)
SMC Pentax-A f1.7/50mm (PK)
Porst Tele MC auto D f2.8/135mm (M42)
Hoya HMC tele-auto f3.5/200mm (PK)
Hoya HMC zoom f4/80-200mm (PK)
software
RawTherapee
Gimp
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fwcetus
Joined: 12 Jun 2015 Posts: 303 Location: New England
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:04 am Post subject: |
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fwcetus wrote:
My best 28's (which are the only three I currently still have) -
1. SMC Pentax "K" 28/2 (the optical "Hollywood" twin of the Zeiss Distagon 28/2)
2. SMC Pentax "K" 28/3.5 (a simple design that always outperforms)
3. Vivitar Series 1 28/1.9 (in K-mount) (a joy to use) _________________ Fred
If you saw a fellow drowning, and you could either save him or photograph the event . . . What lens would you use ? |
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Kei
Joined: 08 Jan 2015 Posts: 142 Location: S. Wales UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Kei wrote:
WNG555 wrote: |
Excellent asfethan! I especially like the last two.
The Tamron 01BB is a superb 24mm. One of the best out these.
Love my copy...enough to buy their 28mm 02B. As mentioned, if it wasn't so prone to flare, it would be one of my favorite 28s. |
Never got on with my 01BB, superb centre but dreadful corner quality, even at f11. Thoroughly outclassed by the 24-48 zoom 13A. Both were bested by a dinky little zuiko 24/2.8. I reckon my copy must have been dodgy, though there is no sign of damage to it in any way.
Best 28mm lenses I've used are a nikon 28/2 and olympus 28/2.8. I've not used the zuiko on full frame digital as I'd need to leitax convert it.
The nikkor is great, really very sharp all over by 5.6. It's remarkably good even wide open but suffers from some coma. Close up performance is every bit as good as the f2.8, though the slower version does focus 5cm closer. Flare resistance is quite good, though I have the older NIC coated version not the newer SIC coating. Here are a few samples from the f2 using a D810.
f8
Byron Road by Kyle, on Flickr
f4
Stow Hill Service Station by Kyle, on Flickr
f2.8
Sodium Light by Kyle, on Flickr
wide open
No. 6 Stow Park Crescent by Kyle, on Flickr
Close up.
Daylily by Kyle, on Flickr _________________ Contax Zeiss Distagon 35mm f1.4, Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Zeiss Vario-sonnar 35-70mm f3.4
Mamiya RB/RZ67 RZ67 Pro II, 65mm f4 L-A, 75mm f4.5 Shift, 127mm f3.5 K/L
Mamiya m645 645 1000S, 645J, 645AFD M 35mm f3.5 C, 55mm f2.8 AF, 80mm f1.9 N, 80mm f2.8 C, 120mm f4 macro, 150mm f2.8 A, 210mm f4 ULD, 210mm f4 C
Tamron Primes 17mm f3.5, 24mm f2.5, 90mm f2.8, 135mm f2.5, 180mm f2.5, 300mm f5.6
Tamron Zooms 24-48mm f3.5-3.8, 28-80 f3.5-4.2, 35-80 f2.8-3.8, 70-210mm f3.5, 75-250mm f3.5-5.6
Olympus OM Zuiko 24mm f2.8, Zuiko 28mm f2.8, Zuiko 50mm f1.8, Sigma 600mm f8
Nikon MF 24mm f2.8 N.C, 28mm f2 AI-s, 35mm f1.4 AI-s, 50mm f1.2 AI-s, 50mm f1.8 AI-s, 135mm f2.8 AI, 300mm f2.8 AI-s
Nikon AF F5, D810 16mm f2.8 AF-D, 20mm f1.8 AF-S, 55mm f2.8 AF micro, Tokina 100mm f2.8 macro, 80-200mm f2.8 AF-D
Canon FD T90, T50, AT-1, 50mm f1.8, 135mm f3.5
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