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no-X
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no-X wrote:
I think silver lenses have 13 blades and black/zebra 8 blades... but I can't garrant it 
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Thanks - I'll watch for and alu finish lens and risk it (if the price is right).
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The silver M42 Helios-44 I have only has 8 blades.
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
Is it KMZ or MMZ made?
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
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| The silver M42 Helios-44 I have only has 8 blades. |
GAH! 
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I've just seen a couple of Zenit Es that I've been nagging a friend who owned them to show me.
Both were 44-2s from the KMZ factory. One with coloured lettering made in 1973 and one non-zebra with white lettering (like mine) but a 0xx... serial number. There seems to be a lot of these floating around if they really are reserved.
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| Is it KMZ or MMZ made? |
It's from Minsk, so MMZ - it's my James Bondski lens 
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BRunner
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
Another 0xx Helioses, both made by KMZ, both have 8 blades. Maybe the black one was made for an numerologist?
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themoleman342
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themoleman342 wrote:
Just got one of my own silver versions: Click here to see on Ebay
Would be great to find one with 13 blades but I suspect this one is the 'typical' 8er. I'm building quite the collection of these m39 zenit lenses. Now I have the Mir 1, Industar 22, Helios 44, and Jupiter 9.
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Just got one of my own silver versions: Click here to see on Ebay
Would be great to find one with 13 blades but I suspect this one is the 'typical' 8er. I'm building quite the collection of these m39 zenit lenses. Now I have the Mir 1, Industar 22, Helios 44, and Jupiter 9.
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Silver can be extremely good I cross my fingers to get a superb one.
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themoleman342
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themoleman342 wrote:
Well going by the serial numbers that I've managed to get from the forum the transition between 8 blades and 13 blades in the KMZ make silver version is between 023xxxx and 031xxxx. The one that is coming to me is at 026xxxx. There is most likely some overlap and outliers in that production however but it gives a so-so range. Hopefully I get lucky. |
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cps_goodbuy
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Pretty much just registered guys. So, Hello from Ireland!
I bought a "black" helios 44-2 "I think" on ebay and waiting for it to arrive. I have been told it was a 13 blade (the reason why I bought it). Any idea what the lense version may be? Either way, it'll be my first helios!
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estudleon wrote:
Welcome cps_goodbuy from Ireland.
Waiting your helios pics!
Rino.
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Pretty much just registered guys. So, Hello from Ireland!
I bought a "black" helios 44-2 "I think" on ebay and waiting for it to arrive. I have been told it was a 13 blade (the reason why I bought it). Any idea what the lense version may be? Either way, it'll be my first helios!
Will update when it arrives and with pics! |
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I had no idea there was a 44-2 with 13 blades. 
I am interested to hear about it when it arrives.
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My big update is! ...that it didn't arrive today 
actually I wanted to see if my sig comes up 
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themoleman342 wrote:
To my knowledge 13 bladed helios 44-2s don't exist. Maybe a custom job?
I got my 44 today, serial number: 0252503, KMZ make. 'Only' 8 blades! Bah! |
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cps_goodbuy wrote:
Thats unlucky, maybe next time?
What do you guys think a Kmount version may be worth?
And yeah, maybe a custom job, Maybe I should make my own 44-2 kmount 13blade 
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themoleman342 wrote:
The K mount helios' isn't a 44-2 either unless converted though there would be no reason to do this. 44k-4 would be the one you are looking for. Not worth much more than the 44m-4. |
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cps_goodbuy
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cps_goodbuy wrote:
Found a 44k-4 for about 40pounds, which I think is a little much, hopefully I'll be happy with the one being sent to me 
btw, will definitely put up photos, is this the best place to do it?
Edit: Still hasn't arrived, and seller hasn't accepted paypal payment?? 
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: Helios-44 m39 |
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DavidVT wrote:
Hello,
Being new to this forum and trying to find my way around, I wanted to ask the following question: I just bought myself a pristine condition m39 helios-44 in alu finish (hasn't arrived yet) of which I wanted some info about, because in contradiction to every other Helios-44 I ever saw and because I couldn't find anything on the net about it, there are some things that struck me as being "not that frequent". It has a red sign on the front, just like my 1958 m39 industar-50 (indicating some kind of coating?), and most of all, it has an aperture range going from f2 to f22 (not f16). Any info on this particular lens? SN is 0001243...
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Helios-44 m39 |
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Hello,
Being new to this forum and trying to find my way around, I wanted to ask the following question: I just bought myself a pristine condition m39 helios-44 in alu finish (hasn't arrived yet) of which I wanted some info about, because in contradiction to every other Helios-44 I ever saw and because I couldn't find anything on the net about it, there are some things that struck me as being "not that frequent". It has a red sign on the front, just like my 1958 m39 industar-50 (indicating some kind of coating?), and most of all, it has an aperture range going from f2 to f22 (not f16). Any info on this particular lens? SN is 0001243...
Thanks for any input,
David Van thuyne |
Nice lens and pretty rare I have some copies one of them was tested by my friend Orio on Canon 5D he did rate very close to Leica.
Taken by a very old well scratched copy.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/russian_lens/Helios/helios-44-alu-M39/
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OWSIU wrote:
Hi everyone, my first post here =). I recently picked up this helios 44-2 in mint condition. It has white aperture markings with yellow distance scale markings. It has the KMZ logo on it. The serial reads "0083xxx", is this one of the early ones made for communist party members, or just one made in 2000?
Sorry about the bad pictures, it's the only ones I have on had at the moment.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Helios-44 m39 |
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Hello,
Being new to this forum and trying to find my way around, I wanted to ask the following question: I just bought myself a pristine condition m39 helios-44 in alu finish (hasn't arrived yet) of which I wanted some info about, because in contradiction to every other Helios-44 I ever saw and because I couldn't find anything on the net about it, there are some things that struck me as being "not that frequent". It has a red sign on the front, just like my 1958 m39 industar-50 (indicating some kind of coating?), and most of all, it has an aperture range going from f2 to f22 (not f16). Any info on this particular lens? SN is 0001243... |
Interesting, I am awaiting for my copy of the same lens, number 0006745.
It has 13 blades aperture so it can go down to 22. The red mark is russian letter П (equivalent of english P) and means "Coated" or "Coating". I paid USD $40 for my copy including shipping and M39 to M42 adapter ring, and still think it is not too much. How much did you pay for yours? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Helios-44 m39 |
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Attila wrote:
| dimitrygo wrote: |
| DavidVT wrote: |
Hello,
Being new to this forum and trying to find my way around, I wanted to ask the following question: I just bought myself a pristine condition m39 helios-44 in alu finish (hasn't arrived yet) of which I wanted some info about, because in contradiction to every other Helios-44 I ever saw and because I couldn't find anything on the net about it, there are some things that struck me as being "not that frequent". It has a red sign on the front, just like my 1958 m39 industar-50 (indicating some kind of coating?), and most of all, it has an aperture range going from f2 to f22 (not f16). Any info on this particular lens? SN is 0001243... |
Interesting, I am awaiting for my copy of the same lens, number 0006745.
It has 13 blades aperture so it can go down to 22. The red mark is russian letter П (equivalent of english P) and means "Coated" or "Coating". I paid USD $40 for my copy including shipping and M39 to M42 adapter ring, and still think it is not too much. How much did you pay for yours? |
I strongly beleive you did hit a jackpot, low serial number means this is possible made by right after wwii by Zeiss people on Zeiss machines from Zeiss material. I have similar experience with my early Helios-40 85mm f1.5 better than any other later revision including Helios 40-2 copies what I did test. I look forward your samples!
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