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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:19 pm Post subject: Compact bellows? And precise bellows? |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Hi,
I have an M42 Revue bellows, I guess it's made by Novoflex. It works very nice with long focal lengths from 80mm onwards but below that it can only reach high magnifications. And for ultra high magnfications (anything above about 3:1) it's not precise enough.
So I want to buy some better bellows - one precise and steady for very high magnifications and one for low magnifications.
Does anyone here knows compact and affordable bellows?
And any recommendations for a very precise bellows? _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
One trick I use to effectively “shorten” bellows is that I put an M39 adapter on the mirrorless camera, then an M39 to M42 step-up ring, and M42 bellows on that—it saves about 15mm compared to using an M42 adapter on the camera.
In any case I'm able to focus to infinity with a 75mm enlarger lens on the bellows. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Keep an eye on ebay, very nice bellows units turn up frequently, Nikon and Konica ones are particularly nice. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7796 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Unitor make excellent quality bellows, mine are Minolta MD but they come in most mounts and the mount is interchangeable.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9921
The quality is first class, they are strong, rigid, and the movements are very smooth and precise. The full kit has a slide copier and a focusing rail.
I was lucky ang got a full set in immaculate condition for £20 at a camera fair. I generally see them there at around £40 to £50. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Most any good quality set of bellows should serve both your purposes. Any good bellows built by Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, or Minolta should work well. I've also owned a set of Vivitar bellow that were well made and I currently own a set of Spiratone bellows -- the Bellows Master SST by Hama, which are excellent. I also own a set of Nikon PB-4 bellows, which are very sturdy, and I wouldn't hesitate to use them for both high and low magnification work. Fully retracted, they measure about 43mm from flange to flange, and fully extended they're about 200mm.
An important thing to consider with bellows is an element of their design. Some bellows have only a front and rear standard and in some cases, only the front standard is movable. Others allow both to be moved. But the best bellows designs, such as my PB-4, have a separate tripod mount on its own track, which can be moved independently from the bellows standards. This gives you the best flexibility when you're out there in the field. _________________ Michael
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3245 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
I have to ad Contax PC bellows on Michael's list.
A masterpiece. I have 2 of them _________________ Moderator Himself |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
No argument from me. And there are also Leitz bellows. And then you've got the various excellent medium format bellows to choose from, such as those made by Hasselblad and Bronica, to name just two. _________________ Michael
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2108 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:46 am Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
Get a Minolta's portable bellows like this:
I got this from eBay around $65.
It is very easy to change its mount of your camera, I have changed to E-mount as you see.
Very light, relatively sturdy, only problem would be you may need macro photo rail to focus,
since focusing is done by extending/compacting the bellows which is not accurate for macro.
It is very compact and easy to carry. Above 75mm lens, you can focus to infinity with NEX.
And also you can have fun with the other lens like Contax G-Planr 45mm head (M42-mount) with:
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:51 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
koji wrote: |
Get a Minolta's portable bellows like this:
I got this from eBay around $65.
It is very easy to change its mount to your camera, I have change to E-mount as you see.
Very light, relatively sturdy, only problem would be you may need macro photo rail to focus,
since focusing is done by extending/compacting the bellows which is not accurate for macro.
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Cool _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:53 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Those compact Minolta bellows are simply too cool. They look especially cool attached to the NEX with that Planar hanging off the front. Not terribly practical methinks, but I don't care. I want a set. Only problem might be that the $65 you paid for yours was a really good deal?
Click here to see on Ebay _________________ Michael
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dan_
Joined: 05 Dec 2012 Posts: 1058 Location: Romania
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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dan_ wrote:
koji wrote: |
Get a Minolta's portable bellows ... |
A very nice solution.
On adapting it on NEX or other mounts there are 2 nice tricks you should consider, as you can see in the photo.
One is to fix the new mount rotated 180 degrees and rotate the MD mother mount from the front of the bellows as well. This way you have the bellows's fixing knob on your left hand while holding the camera with the right hand. Very useful.
The other is to have a focusing helicoid mounted behind the lens when using it with old projection/enlarger/barrel lenses. This way you also have fine focus adjustment.
I got mine from ebay as well, in a "like new" condition, but I paid around 100 Euros... |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Those are very useful, even outside. Never made one mine strangely enough... _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
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NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
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COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
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