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 Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55 on EOS 5D |
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Mal1905 wrote:
My first shots with the recently arrived 'baby' Tomioka (I'm saving up for the 1.2  ) on the 5D.
When focus is at infinity, there's the smallest suggestion of mirror-slap, but not enough to warrant a shave just yet methinks.
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congrats! nice results!
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Are these shots taken wide open ?
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Looks very nice ! Thank you for sharing!
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Mal1905 wrote:
Yes, all handheld at 1.4, ISO 100 and a variety of shutter speeds.
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Many thanks. Is this the "Chinon Tomioka" which actually has "Tomioka" written on the front ring ? There is the "CHINON AUTO" which is sometimes described as TOMIOKA although I'm not sure what the evidence is.
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Mal1905
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Mal1905 wrote:
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| Many thanks. Is this the "Chinon Tomioka" which actually has "Tomioka" written on the front ring ? There is the "CHINON AUTO" which is sometimes described as TOMIOKA although I'm not sure what the evidence is. |
Hi again John,
I've seen these lenses in the past and I too wondered where the Tomioka connection came from - I know that Chinon was one of several companies for whom Tomioka made lenses, but I always presumed that they were badged accordingly.
Here's the lens itself - I must admit to being quite pleased with it and used it and my Jupiter-9 2/85 for some portraits of my niece today.
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KhanX wrote:
Great result. Tomioka is the best lens I never got 
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Attila wrote:
Never mind Tomioka was OEM suplier in Japan, they are good one but surely not the best. Best ones I think Carl Zeiss, Leica, Konica , Nikkor etc.Tomioka just right after them or in same focal length perhaps same.
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sichko wrote:
Mal - thanks for the information - the pictures in particular. You will understand why I'm interested. Here's a lens I obtained only yesterday
I set the rings to try and match the alignment on your picture. They appear to be very close. Unfortunately my lens doesn't have the magic name on it.
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Mal1905 wrote:
John,
Sorry I'm only coming back to you now, but I've just seen your reply and photos.
Wow! It could - for all intents and purposes - be the same lens, apart from the missing name. I'm waiting for a 'blind bid' f/1.9 variation of this lens to come in the post - described as being Tomioka - but will need typewritten proof 
Thank you for sharing your own experience - hopefully these situations will only add to our overall knowledge.
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Mal - thanks for the information - the pictures in particular. You will understand why I'm interested. Here's a lens I obtained only yesterday
I set the rings to try and match the alignment on your picture. They appear to be very close. Unfortunately my lens doesn't have the magic name on it. |
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Tenbear8 wrote:
I have a Chinon 135 2.8..m42 .A 6.50 investment that does far better than I thought it would. It say's Auto Chinon on the front but also has a GAF badge on it as well. |
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I also have a Porst 55/1.4 coming in the mail. Another Tomioka? I find many of these so-called Tomioka lens having an amazing look on the web... or maybe Im getting suckered by the skill of the photog?
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| I also have a Porst 55/1.4 coming in the mail. Another Tomioka? I find many of these so-called Tomioka lens having an amazing look on the web... or maybe Im getting suckered by the skill of the photog? |
They have an amazing look also printed 
I mean maybe these aren't at par with Zeiss, Leika, etc, but they are very characteristic, especially the bokeh wide open, and it's easy to create wild pictorial effects with them. Considering they usually sell pretty cheap it's a sin not owning one 
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| I also have a Porst 55/1.4 coming in the mail. Another Tomioka? I find many of these so-called Tomioka lens having an amazing look on the web... or maybe Im getting suckered by the skill of the photog? |
M42 version is at least based on optical design from Tomioka, possibly manufactured by Tomioka.
When Zeiss began cooperation with Tomioka, OEM lenses were not allowed to carry Tomioka logo, so there is a lot of Tomika lenses witnout Tomioka logo. But many 55/1.4 lenses, which aren't marked by Tomika logo, were manufactured by different makers and only used original optical design. There's probably no way to distinguish them...
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The 5D compatibility list here http://www.panoramaplanet.de/comp/ says the Porst 58 1.4 is likely not to work (at least at infinity focus) when mounted on the 5D.
It also seems from this list that the manufacturer can be identified from the type of ring grip.
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M42 version is at least based on optical design from Tomioka, possibly manufactured by Tomioka.
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Yep... thats mine
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
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| I also have a Porst 55/1.4 coming in the mail. Another Tomioka? |
Me too - let's hope that we won't have to share the same lens! |
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| I mean maybe these aren't at par with Zeiss, Leika, etc, but they are very characteristic, especially the bokeh wide open, and it's easy to create wild pictorial effects with them. Considering they usually sell pretty cheap it's a sin not owning one |
I still can't afford a Zeiss Planar 1.4/50 and probably won't be able to this year - I was tracking one up until I went away, when I left the bidding was at €65.00; arrived back home today and took a look...€201.00 with an hour to go, and all the additional bids were from the same guy  
Talk about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing!!! |
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Me too - let's hope that we won't have to share the same lens! |
My point exactly.... I think we are!
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Mal1905 wrote:
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Me too - let's hope that we won't have to share the same lens! |
My point exactly.... I think we are! |
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jonlinusson wrote:
Hi!
I'm brand new to all of this (read: forums, manual focus lenses, and even my own camera)
and I'm confused. I bought a lovely lens which says:
Auto Chinon 1:1.4/55 Tomioka Japan
And it's great. Faboulous even. BUT:
It hits the mirror on my 5D! It wasn't suppose to do that. It hits when focusing at distances longer than 10m. I have a 5D Mark 2, is that why or should I use a different eos-m42 adapter? does anyone know?
I love the lens and it's a keeper but it freaks me out when it hits the mirror!
Second question: How "bad" is it that it hits the mirror? It's still usable and all I mean, using Live View the mirror goes up and then I can use it at infinity.. |
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Hi Jon and welcome to the forum
Seems unusual that the Tomioka would hit the mirror on the 5D, but probably not impossible! I have the non-Tomioka branded version of this lens too, and that doesn't hit the 5D mirror either...
I speak of both the 'classic' 5D and the MkII - having used these lenses on both bodies recently.
My work-around for any mirror-hitting lenses was to use the Live View function when I had the MkII loaner - worry-free photography and no mirror damage 
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Hi!
I'm brand new to all of this (read: forums, manual focus lenses, and even my own camera)
and I'm confused. I bought a lovely lens which says:
Auto Chinon 1:1.4/55 Tomioka Japan
And it's great. Faboulous even. BUT:
It hits the mirror on my 5D! It wasn't suppose to do that. It hits when focusing at distances longer than 10m. I have a 5D Mark 2, is that why or should I use a different eos-m42 adapter? does anyone know?
I love the lens and it's a keeper but it freaks me out when it hits the mirror!
Second question: How "bad" is it that it hits the mirror? It's still usable and all I mean, using Live View the mirror goes up and then I can use it at infinity.. |
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jonlinusson wrote:
Thank for your fast reply!
Just after I posted I found a thread here about m42 lense on the 5D2, guess I'm gonna go over there and read it thoroughly.
But, it COULD be the adapter then maybe? Well, in this case Live View is a lifesaver, it's not very often I use the lens att infinity anyway. But still! It bothers me |
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Just in case somebody is interested, I am currently selling the "twin brother" of this Chinon Tomioka lens, being the one labelled Revuenon Tomioka ...
you can find my offer in the marketplace.
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