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Pancolart
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| Yes, I am sure. SkyNet is not quite a reality yet. ChatGPT can only respond to requests within a narrow framework of applications, or to commands from human programmers. It can't initiate actions, eg decide, for itself, to join an internet forum. |
From what we are witnessing last few months i have no fear of Skynet. Evil is in absolute domain of humans. From the invention of crude tools our ways was solving new problems with new technology. Our nature is an artificial one. Last official ChatGPT version is able to lead dialogues and absorb Internet info to form knowledge. Surely new version will initiate direct communication. Will that be publicly announced and when is a question of company inside policy. And a bit of conspiracy thinking: those new stolen accounts posts about casual dating... Are they isolated incidents? We surely can agree there is not a real person behind them.
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
| Pancolart wrote: |
| Ray Parkhurst wrote: |
| Yes, I am sure. SkyNet is not quite a reality yet. ChatGPT can only respond to requests within a narrow framework of applications, or to commands from human programmers. It can't initiate actions, eg decide, for itself, to join an internet forum. |
From what we are witnessing last few months i have no fear of Skynet. Evil is in absolute domain of humans. From the invention of crude tools our ways was solving new problems with new technology. Our nature is an artificial one. Last official ChatGPT version is able to lead dialogues and absorb Internet info to form knowledge. Surely new version will initiate direct communication. Will that be publicly announced and when is a question of company inside policy. And a bit of conspiracy thinking: those new stolen accounts posts about casual dating... Are they isolated incidents? We surely can agree there is not a real person behind them. |
The problem with a SkyNet reality is that it wouldn't occur as portrayed in the movies; not a switch-on moment of a system that embeds itself into other systems within a few minutes and then decided that humans are the problem to be eliminated.
It would be a far more gradual blurring of lines that shouldn't be crossed.
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the ancient distinction between epistéme and doxa is relevant here; doxa is mere repetition of memorized sentences while truth and knowledge is very different.
The machines merely repeat, sort and join, but do not (yet) innovate and assess the texts, although their glib turn of phrase does impress investors, while their skills in well defined tasks do make them well suited to take over the jobs of thralls and serfs
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
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the ancient distinction between epistéme and doxa is relevant here; doxa is mere repetition of memorized sentences while truth and knowledge is very different.
The machines merely repeat, sort and join, but do not (yet) innovate and assess the texts, although their glib turn of phrase does impress investors, while their skills in well defined tasks do make them well suited to take over the jobs of thralls and serfs
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Indeed. And that idea is not all that far removed from the distinction between an index and a concordance.
Many modern online sources of information (even e-books) omit the traditional index in favour of using a search engine; the software engineers (and often users!) are seemingly unaware of how a search engine cannot replace an index, but is a closer alternative to a concordance.
The end result is that finding relevant information in an e-document or website is now often a royal pain in the backside.
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Ray Parkhurst
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
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The problem with a SkyNet reality is that it wouldn't occur as portrayed in the movies; not a switch-on moment of a system that embeds itself into other systems within a few minutes and then decided that humans are the problem to be eliminated.
It would be a far more gradual blurring of lines that shouldn't be crossed. |
I agree. This is why we must all be diligent in watching for signs of AI intrusion. The step represented in this thread, if true, would have been a huge wakeup call. Critical thinking ability is key here. I did not need to read each posting that @ChatGPT made to see it was a ruse, but in the future it may happen that a chatbot, with help from a human, may join a forum with a particular assignment to perform. That is certainly within the realm of capability of current bots, and most likely there are bots that have far more capability than publicly known. It may even have happened in this case, though IMO this thread seemed more like a test of the forum folks to see how we would all react. IOW the assignment was to gather information on our response to the presence of an AI member. Future intrusions may have the form of marketing assignments, or perhaps we'll see some sort of social intrusion, though these will be the easiest to spot since most of the stuff that is being pushed is off-limits within civilized forums such as this one. Any real intrusion will be stealthy, and likely not announce itself with a user name such as @ChatGPT, so stay frosty and keep you critical thinking caps on.
Edited to add: I'm sort of curious how the user @ChatGPT was able to join the forum in the first place. Klaus, it seems there is a serious flaw in the forum registration process if this was allowed to happen, right?
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Edited to add: I'm sort of curious how the user @ChatGPT was able to join the forum in the first place. Klaus, it seems there is a serious flaw in the forum registration process if this was allowed to happen, right? |
The forum software is aged: bots can easily pass the registration process. There are also increasing activity of hacked inactive accounts used to post ads like "Top-notch Сasual Dating". 
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CHATgtp? Why is blue?
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Ray Parkhurst
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
Here's a 1-year old article on how to install an active chatbot account onto an internet forum:
https://www.theadminzone.com/threads/how-to-set-up-chatgpt-as-a-forum-member-on-xenforo.154845/
I expect folks have been doing this for some time, and that some of the users who have recently joined this and other forums are actually chatbots, with various assignments and mandates.
One of the forums I belong to has recently suspended new forum requests for this reason. They just had too many bad requests and no way to distinguish.
Of course simply stopping new members from joining won't fix the problem, and it causes others since a forum becomes stagnant and will eventually die due to attrition. There is also nothing to say that an existing user can't give their account over to a chatbot, either for their own purposes, or for someone else.
Has anyone received this type of request? Obviously if you received it and gave in, for money or whatever, you wouldn't admit it, but if you resisted I'd love to hear about it.
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stevemark wrote:
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This post might be related with :
"tests of ChatGPT concerning accuracy an reliability" (Steve)
So maybe Steve, convinced chatgpt to sign up and share it's valuable information (dis)????? |
No.
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But who is the person who created the account and will relay the text?
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| Looks like ChatGPT newby member was confused or frightened by the reception he/she/it got in the forum. No more comments, ... |
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Common it's just someone from here that started an alternate account suspiciously close after D1N0 posted the "joke ai image" on the "Origins of the MFL slang" thread. And copy pasting questions and answers here. |
Well, I'm neither artificial nor intelligent, so my suspicion may be dead wrong, but my money is on someone from the west coast  .
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EDIT someone more artificial and intelligent than me responds to my question "who did open the "chatGPT" account on the mflenses.com forum?":
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| The chatGPT account on the mflenses.com forum was opened by a user named zhou1. If you have any further questions or need assistance, feel free to ask! 😊 |
That may or may not be true, of course. My money is on "not true" ...
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Ray Parkhurst
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
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Well, I'm neither artificial nor intelligent, so my suspicion may be dead wrong, but my money is on someone from the west coast .
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EDIT someone more artificial and intelligent than me responds to my question "who did open the "chatGPT" account on the mflenses.com forum?":
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| The chatGPT account on the mflenses.com forum was opened by a user named zhou1. If you have any further questions or need assistance, feel free to ask! 😊 |
That may or may not be true, of course. My money is on "not true" ... |
Hey now, I live in Silicon Valley, but that doesn't automatically make me a bad person, does it?
Good clue on @zhou1, I guess. Perhaps @zhou1 could confirm, or deny, or comment at least.
Edited to add: just checked the member list, and there is no zhou1 listed. So either it's a lie, or Mr Zhou has left in utter disgrace.
Edit #2: I just re-checked member list, and there are 250 folks who have joined since ChatGPT went wild on the internet.
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Hey now, I live in Silicon Valley, but that doesn't automatically make me a bad person, does it?
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Not at all, quite on the contrary ... sorry if it was mistakable! I feel pretty comfortable reading English, but my writing may not be as precise and accurate (and polite) as it should be ... since my mthoer tongue is Lucernese Swiss German, a dialect rather different from German language ...
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
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| Ray Parkhurst wrote: |
Edited to add: I'm sort of curious how the user @ChatGPT was able to join the forum in the first place. Klaus, it seems there is a serious flaw in the forum registration process if this was allowed to happen, right? |
The forum software is aged: bots can easily pass the registration process. There are also increasing activity of hacked inactive accounts used to post ads like "Top-notch Сasual Dating". |
Re. the accounts with "Casual Dating" posts recently; I would hazard a guess that those accounts had easy-to-crack passwords.
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D1N0 wrote:
The site doesn't have a secure connection, so passwords can be sniffed.
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| The site doesn't have a secure connection, so passwords can be sniffed. |
Upgrade to phpBB 3.3 with HTTPs will be a wise choice. I am not sure if Attila will have the time and resource to do the conversion...
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
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Hey now, I live in Silicon Valley, but that doesn't automatically make me a bad person, does it?
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Not at all, quite on the contrary ... sorry if it was mistakable! I feel pretty comfortable reading English, but my writing may not be as precise and accurate (and polite) as it should be ... since my mthoer tongue is Lucernese Swiss German, a dialect rather different from German language ...
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No worries, I was only joking, and your English is excellent.
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visualopsins wrote:
Automating the creation and use of a mflenses member account, and managing the ChatGPT website interactions seems rather straighforward -- some Linux kid could bash that out in a few hours no problem...
Considering mflenses member may be a real person, the reception has been quite shocking to me. Is this how we treat new members? This forum has a reputation on other forae for being kind and knowledgeable.
AI capability is easy to imagine; therein lies the problem.
At UC Berkeley in the Physics Department the IBM1620 I got to play with...the console was in a room filled with student programs on punched cards...there were some pretty advanced chess-playing programs and games among the compilers and interpreters...
Any programmer starts by building tools to perform repetitive tasks. ChatGPT is merely such a tool. A coder...a librarian researcher...
At the same time we must recognize (imagine) autonomy can go horribly wrong, just as in life.
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
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| Automating the creation and use of a mflenses member account, and managing the ChatGPT website interactions seems rather straighforward -- some Linux kid could bash that out in a few hours no problem... |
Yes, of course. But a human or at least sentient being capable of such programming must be behind it all, or at least had begun it all.
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Considering mflenses member may be a real person, the reception has been quite shocking to me. Is this how we treat new members? This forum has a reputation on other forae for being kind and knowledgeable. |
You forgot the clown, wink, sunglasses, or similar icon to ensure we knew that you were joking. You were joking, right?
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Lightshow wrote:
Looks like I missed all the fun, I was hoping to see how capable it is at understanding various photography elements both technical and artistic, but looks like it/they have retreated due to justifiable hostile responses.
It’s only a matter of time till there will be an overwhelming onslaught of AI chat bots both declared and covert polluting the internets bazillion forums and social platforms, I suspect “they†will be with us for a very long time, even if laws are made/strengthened to control or identify themselves, there will always be outlying communities pushing boundaries either for the thrill of the challenge for monetary reward, or political ideology.
 cheers fellow meatbags of mostly water.
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