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koji
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koji wrote:
My 5D has no mirror issue with Pancolar 50/1.8 and Flektogon 35/2.4 at infinity focusing, YMMV.
Pancolar 80/1.8 hits the mirror when it returns to the resting position, so not too bad but annoying. 
Flektogon 25/4 does not work with my 5D well, yes closer to infinity position, Sonnar 135/3.5 does
not have any mirror problem of course.
By the way, CZ Ultron 50/1.8 (with concave front element) and Rikenon 50/1.4 do not have
the mirror problem.
It seems that every EOS_5D has a slightly different length of mirror or manufacturing deviation,
so no one can say definitely your Pancolar wont hit your 5D's mirror. (Actually the mirror hits the lens.  )
That's all I know.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
[quote="koji"]...Flektogon 25/4 does not work with my 5D well, yes closer to infinity position, .....[/quote]
Hi Koji!
If your CZJ 25 mm not work well with the 5D, I think that the 20/4 CZJ
work bad too. Is it right?
Regards, Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
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Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
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Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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koji
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
Hi Rino.
I do not have CZJ 20/4, but Flektogon 20/2.8 works well with 5D.
CZJ 25/4 causes a trouble for 5D's mirror not going up at closer to
infinity position, so I cannot shoot in this case.
I will shave the mirror within a couple of months, since I now have
Prakticar to EF mount adapter (see "accessary" section). The most of
Prakticars will hit the mirror if I do not takeout plastic rear lens protector,
though I do not like to take them out.
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WallyJr74
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WallyJr74 wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| The Pancolar sharpness is legendary and I agree that it is sharper than both the 50 Planars in the Contax line. |
Are you sure? Nearly all len tests said that Planar 50/1.7 is sharper from wide open to f/8. 
Pancolar 50/1.8
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%20Pancolar%20MC%2050mm%20f18/mtf50norm-czj-pancolarmc-m42-50mm-f18-50mm.jpg)
Planar 50/1.7
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%20PLanar%20T%2050mm%20f17/mtf50norm2-zeiss-contax-planar-50mm-17.jpg)
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| WallyJr74 wrote: |
| Orio wrote: |
| The Pancolar sharpness is legendary and I agree that it is sharper than both the 50 Planars in the Contax line. |
Are you sure? Nearly all len tests said that Planar 50/1.7 is sharper from wide open to f/8.
Pancolar 50/1.8
Planar 50/1.7
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All the tests are relative. See (specially the last one )
http://foto.recenzja.pl/Subjects-index-req-viewpage-pageid-21.html
http://www.pixophrenia.com/Pages/results-fast.htm
http://www.lupomesky.cz/czj_vs_cz/comp50.html
Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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no-X
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Pancolar has variable MC layers. I don't know why CZJ changed it so frequently. I had many times 2-3 Pancolar copies at once in my hands and even if the reflections of the front side of the lens were similar, rear part reflected different colours. I never found two identical combinations 
I think threre is a plenty of combinations - if you are lucky, you can find a piece which fits you DSRL, but you can also find a lens, which performs mediocre.
I think it depend mainly on the combination of the color reflected by the rear lens elements and color of MC layers on the DSLR sensor. If these colors are same or close, sensor reflections can appear. If the colors are different, or opposite, all reflections will be absorbed and IQ will be better.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| no-X wrote: |
| Pancolar has variable MC layers. I don't know why CZJ changed it so frequently. I had many times 2-3 Pancolar copies at once in my hands and even if the reflections of the front side of the lens were similar, rear part reflected different colours. I never found two identical combinations |
Very interesant question.
I noted the same. Perhaps is the CZJ lens that more MC layers changes have.
Be care, the reflections of the front element would have to be the same color than the rear one. If not, the danger that exists that lens has been rearmed with elements of different lenses (that had different MC layers).
I don't know more than that.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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WallyJr74
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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WallyJr74 wrote:
Rino - Thanks for the links.
| no-X wrote: |
| I think it depend mainly on the combination of the color reflected by the rear lens elements and color of MC layers on the DSLR sensor. If these colors are same or close, sensor reflections can appear. If the colors are different, or opposite, all reflections will be absorbed and IQ will be better. |
Interesting...I never knew about that.
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horvlas
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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horvlas wrote:
Where can I find such tables of sharpness, mentioned at the second page? |
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Keysersoze27
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
| horvlas wrote: |
| Where can I find such tables of sharpness, mentioned at the second page? |
slrlensreview.com
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28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
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