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Astrolupa
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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Astrolupa wrote:
Hello all!
I'm new around, and I love to dig around for odd lenses. Recently, a friend handed this one over for me to check it out. He said it never seen much use and it really looks that way. I looked around but was unable to find information about this lens. Can someone shed some light on it?
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2108 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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koji wrote:
Astrolupa wrote: |
Hello all!
I'm new around, and I love to dig around for odd lenses. Recently, a friend handed this one over for me to check it out. He said it never seen much use and it really looks that way. I looked around but was unable to find information about this lens. Can someone shed some light on it?
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Welcome! That lens looks like a Canon FD (?) mount lens from the 80s, branded Carl Zeiss Jena but made by someone out in Japan.
Enjoy your stay! _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Astrolupa
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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Astrolupa wrote:
Thanks a lot ManualFocus-G! Let's if someone has anything else to add. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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Attila wrote:
Astrolupa wrote: |
Thanks a lot ManualFocus-G! Let's if someone has anything else to add. |
What kind of camera do you have ? _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Astrolupa
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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Astrolupa wrote:
Hello Attila,
Yes... Unfortunately my Canon 40D will not accept a lens like this one, unless I do what I did with my Canon FL 55mm f/1.2 lens, which is now adapted for use with the EF bayonet. Anyway, I don't think I want to do that with this lens... I guess it's not worth considering I have other lenses that cover this range. |
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f8orbust
Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 23 Location: Blackheath, London, UK
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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f8orbust wrote:
Astrolupa
I have one of those. Found it about two weeks ago in the bargain bucket of my local camera shop for £5.00. Pentax KA mount. The iris is somtimes slow to react but otherwise in good condition. The research on the net I found was that it was made under licence from VEB to Chinon but I am not sure how accurate this is.
I have a small review, featured in Which Camera supplement called 'Which Lens' published in Summer 1987, as follows:
'Recommended. Very sharp indeed and doesn't cost a fortune. (£160.00). There are cheaper options.' In the same section is the Tamron 28-135, as follows: 'Good quality performance, but nor quite up to the Carl Zeiss Jena Lens. More expensive too (£239). Praise indeed!
I haven't tried it propely, seems sharp enough with the usual Jena colours but it might be a little flarey; could be the aperture problem though. I think I will prefer my Vivitar S1 28-90 (£180.00)
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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Attila wrote:
Astrolupa wrote: |
Hello Attila,
Yes... Unfortunately my Canon 40D will not accept a lens like this one, unless I do what I did with my Canon FL 55mm f/1.2 lens, which is now adapted for use with the EF bayonet. Anyway, I don't think I want to do that with this lens... I guess it's not worth considering I have other lenses that cover this range. |
Sell it somebody will happily take it there is more and more m4/3 and Nex owners who able to use it properly on digital. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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PBFACTS
Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 569
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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PBFACTS wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Welcome! That lens looks like a Canon FD (?) mount lens from the 80s, branded Carl Zeiss Jena but made by someone out in Japan.
Enjoy your stay! |
Dsitributor name in ~1985/1986 .. Lenses were manufactured by cosina _________________ OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 742 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
I am afraid this question comes up at very regular intevals on various forums, and for years I answered every one when it cropped up...
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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nemesis101 wrote:
Are you sure?
I understood that Sigma had rights to the brand name for a while?
I have a Sigma that looks almost identical to that picture...
Doug
PBFACTS wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Welcome! That lens looks like a Canon FD (?) mount lens from the 80s, branded Carl Zeiss Jena but made by someone out in Japan.
Enjoy your stay! |
Dsitributor name in ~1985/1986 .. Lenses were manufactured by cosina |
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 742 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Carl Jeiss JenaZoom 28-135 |
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Seele wrote:
nemesis101 wrote: |
Are you sure?
I understood that Sigma had rights to the brand name for a while?
I have a Sigma that looks almost identical to that picture...
Doug |
These "British" Carl Zeiss Jena lens was the initiative of the twin companies CZ Scientic Instruments and Carl Zeiss Jena Ltd in the UK, with blessings from Jena. CZ Scientific Instuments was also distributor of several brands, such as Elmo, Sunpak, and Sigma. |
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Astrolupa
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Astrolupa wrote:
Thank you all for the enlightment, and specially to Seele for posting the photos of catalog. It seems it's a "real" Carl Zeiss lens manufactured with respect for CZ's standards. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Astrolupa wrote: |
Thank you all for the enlightment, and specially to Seele for posting the photos of catalog. It seems it's a "real" Carl Zeiss lens manufactured with respect for CZ's standards. |
Not quite sure I follow, it was certainly not made by Carl Zeiss _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Astrolupa
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Astrolupa wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Astrolupa wrote: |
Thank you all for the enlightment, and specially to Seele for posting the photos of catalog. It seems it's a "real" Carl Zeiss lens manufactured with respect for CZ's standards. |
Not quite sure I follow, it was certainly not made by Carl Zeiss |
What I meant is that I guess it was made by some third party manufacturer but with license from Carl Zeiss. A common pratice was it not? |
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Sevo
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
More likely Japanese lenses rebranded by the KoKo (the GDR state export coordination) in the wake of the success they had had bundling the Praktica B series with rebranded Tokina, Cosina et.al. lenses. At that time, CZJ was already practically defunct as a photographic lens design company, their research focus had shifted towards scientific instruments and tools for the microelectronics industry. _________________ Sevo |
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f8orbust
Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 23 Location: Blackheath, London, UK
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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f8orbust wrote:
That's what I mentioned above. VEB was originally one of the manufacturers of lenses for Zeiss Jena whiched appears in latter years to have outsourced to a Japanese company - Cosina/Sigma/Chinon? or maybe all three. My lens has printed around it ' Lens made in Japan under licence from VEB'
Phil |
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Morfeus
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Morfeus wrote:
VEB means Volkseigener Betrieb = nationally-owned enterprise. |
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 742 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
Astrolupa wrote: |
What I meant is that I guess it was made by some third party manufacturer but with license from Carl Zeiss. A common pratice was it not? |
Since Carl Zeiss started the photographic lens business they have been licensing designs to other manufacturers, the first licensee was Voigtländer. More well known ones include B&L, Ross, Krauss, and others. Nowadays we see Zeiss-branded lenses on Sony cameras and even Nokia phones, so it's far far from being unusual. |
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Pancolart
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
This thing is usually sold as Exakta. This is fake Zeiss for sure. It surely doesn't have anything to do with Sigma either. Just check their 28mm Pentacon replacements and Prakticar ZOOMs. Too shaky even for CHINON and COSINA. It might be early Korean made and exported by Japan. I guess one cannot trust writing Made in Japan that real manufacture was set up there. _________________ ---------------------------------
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
Seele wrote: |
Since Carl Zeiss started the photographic lens business they have been licensing designs to other manufacturers, the first licensee was Voigtländer. More well known ones include B&L, Ross, Krauss, and others. Nowadays we see Zeiss-branded lenses on Sony cameras and even Nokia phones, so it's far far from being unusual. |
Zeiss West is and was in a different position regarding intellectual property. Carl Zeiss Jena did not have any zooms they could have licensed away - if there is a "under license of CZJ" engraving on a zoom, they (or rather the foreign trade bureau) must have licensed the trademark rather than the optical design. _________________ Sevo |
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Seele
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
Sevo,
Oberkochen never admitted in writing that the lenses fitted to Sony cameras (and perhaps others) were indeed designed by them, the most they were prepared to say was that such lenses were up to the standards befitting the Carl Zeiss label. |
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
Hi,
I wondered how you cxame to be certain that Sigma was not the maker?
I have read many sources that would seem to confirm that Sigma did indeed make lenses for the Jena company to be sold in the European (and especially UK) market?
One such reference:
http://www.photography-forums.com/prakticar-carl-zeiss-jena-confused-hereford-t35991.html
As I said I have had the chance to compare two JenaZooms with their 'cousins' from Sigma and the genes whilst not 100% (colour of markings vary) are certainly close siblings?
Doug
quote="Pancolart"]This thing is usually sold as Exakta. This is fake Zeiss for sure. It surely doesn't have anything to do with Sigma either. Just check their 28mm Pentacon replacements and Prakticar ZOOMs. Too shaky even for CHINON and COSINA. It might be early Korean made and exported by Japan. I guess one cannot trust writing Made in Japan that real manufacture was set up there.[/quote] _________________ Lenses and cameras:
Amateurs worry about equipment
Pros worry about money,
Masters worry about light. |
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PBFACTS
Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 569
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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PBFACTS wrote:
nemesis101 wrote: |
Hi,
I wondered how you cxame to be certain that Sigma was not the maker?
I have read many sources that would seem to confirm that Sigma did indeed make lenses for the Jena company to be sold in the European (and especially UK) market?
One such reference:
http://www.photography-forums.com/prakticar-carl-zeiss-jena-confused-hereford-t35991.html
As I said I have had the chance to compare two JenaZooms with their 'cousins' from Sigma and the genes whilst not 100% (colour of markings vary) are certainly close siblings?
Doug
Pancolart wrote: |
This thing is usually sold as Exakta. This is fake Zeiss for sure. It surely doesn't have anything to do with Sigma either. Just check their 28mm Pentacon replacements and Prakticar ZOOMs. Too shaky even for CHINON and COSINA. It might be early Korean made and exported by Japan. I guess one cannot trust writing Made in Japan that real manufacture was set up there. |
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1- AGAIN, these lenses were made by Cosina (TypicalCosina design)
2- Sigma manufactured a lot a lenses for Pentacon veb in the 1975/1990 period when it was an east german company
FIRST zoom for pentacon cameras was the sigma 39/80 but theses lenses have absolutely NO connection with that period _________________ OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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Pancolart
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
PBFACTS wrote: |
1- AGAIN, these lenses were made by Cosina (TypicalCosina design)
2- Sigma manufactured a lot a lenses for Pentacon veb in the 1975/1990 period when it was an east german company
FIRST zoom for pentacon cameras was the sigma 39/80 but theses lenses have absolutely NO connection with that period |
Could it be after Cosina switched their production to Korea?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=36551204
Just speculating of course. _________________ ---------------------------------
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