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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It sounds like you found a great Russian seller as well as a great lens. I have some family matters to deal with but other than that I am doing well.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Olivier wrote:

The serial number of the J6 is fine, for sure. 000346. When was it made ? I don't know.


lens is made in the late 1950s (i can't find the exact date when the production started, zenitcamera doesn't know too), your serial N begins with 00, it means that this is pre-production sample.

My congratulations!!


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shocked WOW!


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Olivier wrote:

The serial number of the J6 is fine, for sure. 000346. When was it made ? I don't know.


P.S.
In 1960, the lens was awarded the Diploma of I degree "Exhibition of Achievements of the National Economy" of the USSR.
This means that in 1960 the lens allready in production.
Maybe you have the same lens that got the diploma Smile


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey Olivier , if you get bored let me to know it , I am ready to buy and try sometimes in future.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Please allow me to post a bit oversized on this place. It's black version wide-open in harsh noon sunlight. I think i finally nailed the crop:


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Hey Olivier , if you get bored let me to know it , I am ready to buy and try sometimes in future.


Attlia, can't resist a pretty silver lens Laughing


PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pancolart,

Well, it's a Honda 600F Hornet, possibly '09 or '10, but what i see is that the handlebar has been replaced by a smaller model than the original.

Very Happy

My next desperation status will when i'll have to choose between 180 2.8 Jupiter and CZJ Olympic 180 2.8...

Wonder shot, BTW, autofocus on the brain!

Renato


PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
fotkino wrote:
Olivier wrote:

The serial number of the J6 is fine, for sure. 000346. When was it made ? I don't know.

lens is made in the late 1950s (i can't find the exact date when the production started, zenitcamera doesn't know too), your serial N begins with 00, it means that this is pre-production sample.

My congratulations!!

P.S.
In 1960, the lens was awarded the Diploma of I degree "Exhibition of Achievements of the National Economy" of the USSR.
This means that in 1960 the lens allready in production.
Maybe you have the same lens that got the diploma Smile

WOW ! Shocked

I'm really happy with that information. Very Happy
Thank you Fotkino.

I have a Taïr-3A 4.5/300 Grand Prix Brussels 1958 with SN n° 003034.
Would it be the same : Pre-production lens ?

http://forum.mflenses.com/tair-3-grand-prix-brussels-1958-4-5-300mm-t24853,highlight,%2Btair+%2B3.html

Attila wrote:
Hey Olivier , if you get bored let me to know it , I am ready to buy and try sometimes in future.

Attila, I'll keep it in mind. Promised. Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ultrapix wrote:
The best way to reach infinity:

-1 set infinity and then untight the screws on the focus ring
-2 check if the ring is free, and set it at shorter distance, then tight just one screw, and set real infinity by LV, or as you like better
-3 untight the screw, place the ring at infinity, and finally tight all the screws

That's exactly what has to be done.
No butchery or any trick, it worked perfectly. Tank you very much Ultrapix.

About serial numbers, I read this on zenitcamera.com (it is again on line) :
Numbering prototypes begin by 00 and then the number of the lens in the batch.

I also learnt that Helios 44 from the 60s had their first digit tellin the year in the decade.
So a number 5012345 means that the lens was made in 1965, not in 1950.

In the mid-50s the Industar-22 : a lens numbered N6011478 was made in 1956.

So the rule saying that the 2 first numbers tell the production year is not always right.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
I also learnt that Helios 44 from the 60s had their first digit tellin the year in the decade.
So a number 5012345 means that the lens was made in 1965, not in 1950.


Only for Helios made in MMZ, not KMZ, as far as I understand


Quote:
На других предприятиях отрасли могли применяться немного иные принципы нумерации. Например, у того же упомянутого Гелиоса-44, но производства ММЗ 1960-х годов, использовалось правило ГНННННН, где Г — последняя цифра года выпуска. Т.е. объектив с номером 5012345 — выпуска 1965 года, а не 1950-го, как можно было бы подумать исходя из правила «две первых цифры номера — две последних цифры года» (в 1950 году Минского механического завода ещё не существовало). У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You're right Pierre.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sample of infinity wide open at f2.8 with some evening fog
#1


Other sample, not infinity but quite far, wide open
#2


and close, wide open
#3


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great performance Smile

Is it a heavy beast too, like my Zeiss 180/2.8?


PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Have a look on page 2, Gary. Wink

Sonnar is wider but shorter and has a 95mm diameter lens when J6 has a 75mm.
Sonnar weights 1305 grs, J6 1500 grs.
Sonnar has 8 blades diaph, J6 10 blades.
Min focus distance is the same : 2,00 meters.
Both aperture ranges are from 2.8 to 22.

Now that sunshine seems to come back for a little while, I'll post for you some samples comparisons between the Sonnar and the Jupiter.
What kind of comparison subjects, compositions, situations would you like to see ? Smile


#1

#2


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Variety of distances, with a variety of apertures.
Bokeh comparisons are always appreciated.
Unprocessed shots of primary colour objects.
You know how it goes Olivier Wink

Any comparison shots would be useful for members interested in getting one of these beautiful beasts. Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Allright.
Service, Sir ! Cool

I'll do it in a specific topic.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not surprised the Jupiter is heavier, it just looks heavier.
I think it's a better looking lens so I'll keep looking for a good price on one.

(apologies for not noticing the weights on page 2, I must clean my glasses more often)


PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is a picture of our dog (at f8 I believe)

Click on pictures to open in new window and better quality.

#1


and a crop approx 100%
#2


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Coincidentally, yesterday was the 180th day of the year and I used my Sonnar in a Dyxum challenge. Big, heavy lens and looks silly on a NEX.


PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
Coincidentally, yesterday was the 180th day of the year and I used my Sonnar in a Dyxum challenge. Big, heavy lens and looks silly on a NEX.

I didn't notice it was the 180th day.
So I used the J6 180 on this very day. Smile
Thank you Woodrim.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Olivier wrote:
Sonnar is wider but shorter and has a 95mm diameter lens when J6 has a 75mm.


I don't know if that's a typo or you misread the inscription on the filter, but "77 - 0.75" means 77mm diameter x .75mm thread pitch.



[quote="fotkino"]
Olivier wrote:
your serial N begins with 00, it means that this is pre-production sample.


I think this statement needs some qualification. Pre-production run does not necessarily mean prototype, nor does it have to mean that all lenses bearing 00 serial are from one batch. A lens like this would almost certainly have been made in relatively small batches, and each batch could have a pre-production run. You will see below, the serial on my lens also begins with 00, but it is several thousand units later! In fact, every J6 I have seen to date (where the serial is visible), has a 00 serial number, so perhaps this is a case where we may need to ask: could this be an exception to the "Russian serial number rule"?

Interestingly, mine came with a very different type case than yours, Olivier, of the "more conventional" tube style. Very well made of heavy boot leather. The lid is extra tall to accomodate the three filters. Also note, in the second pic, the tripod screw knob for securing the lens in the case. I was lucky enough to find the complete set, with (apparently) original front and rear caps and even the "Passport", which indicates a date of 1968. Not sure if that indicates when it was made or when it was purchased.

My lens was also made in M39, same as yours, but came with M42 ring attached, though up side down (see last pic). I've been unable to remove it by hand, and have yet to attempt it with any tools (such as reaching in the slot with a very fine screwdriver).









PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Olivier wrote:
Here is a picture of our dog (at f8 I believe)

Click on pictures to open in new window and better quality.

#1


and a crop approx 100%
#2

WOW! That's impressive...


PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Olivier wrote:
Ultrapix wrote:
The best way to reach infinity:

-1 set infinity and then untight the screws on the focus ring
-2 check if the ring is free, and set it at shorter distance, then tight just one screw, and set real infinity by LV, or as you like better
-3 untight the screw, place the ring at infinity, and finally tight all the screws

That's exactly what has to be done.
No butchery or any trick, it worked perfectly. Tank you very much Ultrapix.



I am happy that it worked Smile


PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you Omar.
How are you ? What about your family ? Smile

Ultrapix, thanks a lot again.

Invisible, absolutely. I was very impressed by such results.


Praktiman, You are right about the filter diameter, it's 77mm.
Else, I have exactly the same type of case than yours, but for my Taïr-3A Brussels Grand Prix 1958.




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