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MF-addicted
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MF-addicted wrote:
I just looked at the Helios thread.
I think it is worth a new topic.
Here is my Helios 44 M42 mount with 8 blades.
Looks like my black Biotar 2/5,8cm
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Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
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Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
Nice. Thats a sample, according to the serial number. It should be optically very good copy 
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MF-addicted
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MF-addicted wrote:
That sounds interesting.
I shot portraits with this lens one week ago and I was overwhelmed by the quality.
Here I found something about serial numbers beginning with 0
000xxxxxx factory test (study) models (prototypes etc) mod?les d'études
d'usine (prototypes etc..)
00xxxxxx preseries models reserved for members of the communist party
and "VIPs" (reservés aux membres du parti communist et haut
responsables en pré-série)
0xxxxxx reserved for factory syndicat leaders (réservés aux
responsables syndicaux d'usines)
http://forum.mflenses.com/a-word-about-russian-serial-numbers-t3332,highlight,serial.html
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Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
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WolverineX
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Black Helios 44 M42 |
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WolverineX wrote:
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I just looked at the Helios thread.
I think it is worth a new topic.
Here is my Helios 44 M42 mount with 8 blades.
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mine looks exactly the same,
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no-X
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
What about the serial number of yours copy?
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WolverineX
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
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| What about the serial number of yours copy? |
i'll post it when i get home from work today 
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ManualFocus-G
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| WolverineX wrote: |
| no-X wrote: |
| What about the serial number of yours copy? |
i'll post it when i get home from work today |
Hi, I have one the same Mine no. is N0340032
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no-X
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Hmm, another sample...
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WolverineX
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WolverineX wrote:
here is the image i took when i got photosniper, where you can see that it is Helios 44 but i just can't make out the number, i'll have to take a look when i get home
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Xpres
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Xpres wrote:
There seem to be rather a lot of Russian lenses about with serial numbers starting '0'.
My 44 - silver M39 version - starts with 50 though.  Now what does that mean?
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MF-addicted
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MF-addicted wrote:
@ Xpres:
In Russian lenses, the first two digits of the serial number indicate the year of manufacture.
http://www.cameraquest.com/russian.htm
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Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
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no-X
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MF-addicted: That's true only for production copies. Pre-production prototypes and samples begins with zeros:
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000xxxxxx factory test (study) models (prototypes etc)
00xxxxxx preseries models reserved for members of the communist party
and "VIPs"
0xxxxxx reserved for factory syndicat leaders |
http://forum.mflenses.com/a-word-about-russian-serial-numbers-t3332,highlight,reserv%E9s.html#24549
There are of course some recent lenses (some new MIRs and Jupiters), which begins by 00 because they were manufactured in 2000. But that doesn't relate to Helios-44 lenses, which were discontinued somewhen in seventies.
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MF-addicted
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Sorry, this was the answer for "Xpres". His serial began with 50.
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| My 44 - silver M39 version - starts with 50 though. Now what does that mean? |
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Canon FD to EOS converted: FD 1,4/24 asph, FD 2,8/300 L
Carl Zeiss Jena:Pancolar 2/50, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., slim Biotar 1,5/7,5cm 18bl., Pancolar 1,8/80mm, Sonnar 3,5/135, Triotar 4/135
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
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no-X
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Anyway, that's strange even more. The oldest Helios 44 I've found on web was the M39 silver one from 1960. Even that is quite surprising, because I didn't find any Helios lens from 1961-1969.
And now 1950...?
Helios-44 was designed in 1950, but production begun around year 1958, according to this site:
http://www.zenit.istra.ru/archive/lenses/helios-44.html
Xpres: could you also post some pictures of your lens, please?
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Xpres
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Xpres wrote:
I thought it a bit early! As far as I know the Zenit 1 first appeared in 1952 with an m39 mount and industar lens, so a 44 from 1950 seems a little odd. Maybe the year thing didn't start 'til later?
It came with my 3M which is dated at 1965.
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WolverineX
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
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| What about the serial number of yours copy? |
serial number of my copy is 0492368
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
It seems, that all M42 Helios-44 lenses are samples 
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MF-addicted
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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I found this:
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| The other thing that surprizes me is the serial number - I thought at KMZ it was always linked to the year of production. Apparently this is not the case for the Helios-44. My lense has number 4601xx, yet it must be from the end of the fifties or beginning of the sixtees. |
http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=131
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Canon FD to EOS converted: FD 1,4/24 asph, FD 2,8/300 L
Carl Zeiss Jena:Pancolar 2/50, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., slim Biotar 1,5/7,5cm 18bl., Pancolar 1,8/80mm, Sonnar 3,5/135, Triotar 4/135
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
Any ideas? My reserves ran dry
Other early CCCP lenses (I checked my Jupiter-3, Jupiter-8 and Jupiter-9) have corresponding SN / manufacturing date... why is Helios-44 a exception?
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Xpres
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Xpres wrote:
Here's a thought. My 44 was made by 'MMZ' which didn't begin making lenses until 1957!
Perhaps different manufacturers had different ideas about serial numbers?
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themoleman342
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themoleman342 wrote:
The first two serial numbers denoting the year of manufacture does not apply to MMZ-make lenses. They used a different system. |
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