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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:00 am Post subject: Best zoom lens (short lengths) for NEX? |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Hi folks
I'm looking for a really good short zoom for use on my NEX, something that goes down to 28mm or even wider, which will probably mean a 28-70.
I'm thinking that Minolta MD might be the way to go, isn't the MD f4 28-70 the lens that was also sold by Leica?
To give you an idea of the level of IQ I seek, it has to come fairly close the quality of the shorter primes in my NEX kit such as Hexanon 3.5/28, Hexanon 1.7/50, Panagor 2.5/35, Tokina 3.5/17, all of which are truly excellent optics. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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revers
Joined: 13 May 2010 Posts: 574 Location: In the country just north of Toronto Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:12 am Post subject: |
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revers wrote:
Ian, I do not think you can hope to compare a zoom legacy with a prime. _________________ Ron
Olympus OM-D E-M5, 14-42 & 45/1.8.
Panasonic G1, GF1, 14-45, 45-200 & various legacy lenses.
Canon S5, Sony 1.7 Tele-converter & Raynox DCR 150 Macro converter. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I expected that was the case, I just want the best zoom I can find without spending vario-sonnar or leitz money.
Anyone got any experience of the canon FD f4 28-85? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Don't look old wide zooms , they are usually not good, step instead one or two and angle will be change also. _________________ -------------------------------
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:41 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Yes, that is my philosophy - zoom with the feet, hence I usually carry with me a 17, 28, 50 and 135, those cover all bases for me really on the NEX, I just feel like owning a really good zoom for times when I just want to have the camera and one lens instead of carrying a bag or filling my pockets with lenses.
I just remembered I have the Hexanon 28-135 to try out, it might be good, Konica design, Tokina built, but it's a big, heavy thing, I was hoping for something quite small and compact. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:44 am Post subject: Re: Best zoom lens (short lengths) for NEX? |
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walter g wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Hi folks
I'm looking for a really good short zoom for use on my NEX, something that goes down to 28mm or even wider, which will probably mean a 28-70.
I'm thinking that Minolta MD might be the way to go, isn't the MD f4 28-70 the lens that was also sold by Leica?
To give you an idea of the level of IQ I seek, it has to come fairly close the quality of the shorter primes in my NEX kit such as Hexanon 3.5/28, Hexanon 1.7/50, Panagor 2.5/35, Tokina 3.5/17, all of which are truly excellent optics. |
The MD 35-70 3.5 was the one also sold by Leica. The Minolta Md 28-70 3.5-4.8 was made by Cosina which is a pretty decent lens also. _________________
Main cameras
Panasonic G5,Nikon J1,Pentax Q10,Sony Nex 6
Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
Nikon Nikkor 4/20, O Auto 2/35, S Auto 1.4/50..... Miranda Auto 2.8/28, Auto 2.8/35, Auto 1.4/50, Auto EC 1.4/50, Auto 1.8/50, Auto EC 1.8/50,Auto 1.9/50, Auto 3.5/135
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:00 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
How good is the MD 3.5 35-70? I'm guessing it must be pretty good if Leica sold it. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Rolf
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
How good is the MD 3.5 35-70? I'm guessing it must be pretty good if Leica sold it. |
I have posted here some images with this Leica lens, but on a FF Nikon. But it is also heavy with a NEX, so no lightweigt. For me it has very good 3D capabilities. What is with a Nikkor 4/25-50. Have read that this one is not bad.
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1826 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:11 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
Why do you need a manual zoom for Nex?.
I guess you can find a second hand kit zoom in good condition .. which will be better and lighter .. and on last place AF:)
Btw there is a 4/24-50 Minolta for sale here but i suspect it will be heavy and 77 Eur is not exactly cheap.
You can see it in the first link here: http://forum.mflenses.com/rokkor-and-mir-t43960.html _________________ Stefan
My lens list:
SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:18 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Tamron SP 28-80 and 35-80 are very good.
Contax Vario-Sonnar 35-70mm is best in my opinion:
http://forum.mflenses.com/yosemite-impressions-colour-lots-of-photos-t43971.html _________________ Graham - Moderator
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IAZA
Joined: 16 Apr 2010 Posts: 2587 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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IAZA wrote:
On Canon EOS I used Tokina 35-70/4 RMC which is very sharp, but I sold it for different reason
On NEX I have minolta 35-70/3,5 rokkor, really satisfied with it, which rather stiff on zooming. very sharp on 1 stepped down, then my friend gave me Tamron 28-70/3,5-4,5. Now this is the lens I use most. it has macro funtion, wide enough _________________ nex5, Olympus EPM1, yashica half 14, Canon eos 650 want to see samples of mine? please click My lenses
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:42 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
The best zoom lens for the NEX is the Sony SEL 18-55 OS, I have to say.
Manual zoom lenses are not fun on an NEX, IMHO. In most cases you have two rings, one focus and one to change FL. That is OK if you shoot with an SLR, but on an NEX it is a nuisance.
There are some zoom lenses with only one ring ("one-touch") but those are mostly too big to be of great use on an NEX. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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dickb
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:18 am Post subject: |
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dickb wrote:
The Minolta 24-35mm f/3.5 (285g) may be a better match for the NEX than the 24-50mm f/4 (390g). |
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eddieitman
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 1246 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: |
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eddieitman wrote:
Also dont forget the greatly under appreciated olympus 35-70 F4 _________________ My web site www.digital-darkroom.weebly.com
Life is like a camera. Focus on what's important, capture the good times, develop from the negatives and if things don't work out, just take another shot. |
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IANUS
Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 276 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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IANUS wrote:
I really do like my Nikkor 3.5/28-50mm. It`s tiny and if I don't need the speed I don't bother to take a prime lens for my F3. Only problem might be the availability since there are not much around. The dedicated lens hood is even more rare. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Forgot the Tamron SP 24-48mm as well, although as LucisPictor stated, it might not be easy to use a two touch lens on a Nex. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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stonedes
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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stonedes wrote:
Stick with the non-variable aperature zooms wide open. I have a Pentax SMC-A 35-70/4 I'm very fond of. Also the previously mentioned Minolta MD Rokkor 35-70/3.5. I've seen some knockout results from the Yashica ML 35-70/3.5, almost certainly based on the Contax 35-70/3.4. The Yashica is a very rare lens.
Also if you want to spend a bit more, Canon made an excellent 24-35 FD L lens that was fairly light. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Yashica sounds interesting as I already have a few C/Y fittings lenses including some Yashica MLs.
The Yashica i see for sale on ebay often is the 28-80mm f3.9-4.9. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
stonedes wrote: |
I've seen some knockout results from the Yashica ML 35-70/3.5, almost certainly based on the Contax 35-70/3.4. The Yashica is a very rare lens. |
Why would you think that? We've seen time and time again that Yashica and Contax used different designs for their lenses. Some of the primes were similar, but not the same and results were certainly different. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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stonedes
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:58 am Post subject: |
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stonedes wrote:
My opinion of the Yashica 35-70/3.5 is based on photos I've seen online. Of course I can't say for sure since I don't know the lens's formula, that it is truly based on the Contax. However, since the Yashica is so rare, it's better that I retract this statement and find a copy so I can surely keep this secret to myself
Here are some particularly fine efforts of the Yashica:
http://www.pbase.com/gummiebear/yashica_ml_3570mm_f35 |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:29 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
stonedes wrote: |
My opinion of the Yashica 35-70/3.5 is based on photos I've seen online. Of course I can't say for sure since I don't know the lens's formula, that it is truly based on the Contax. However, since the Yashica is so rare, it's better that I retract this statement and find a copy so I can surely keep this secret to myself
Here are some particularly fine efforts of the Yashica:
http://www.pbase.com/gummiebear/yashica_ml_3570mm_f35 |
Fair enough I would like to get an ML lens to compare directly as those samples, whilst nice pictures, are too small to tell us a lot about the lens. What I can see though is some visible purple fringing would I don't recognise from the Zeiss. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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koji
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
I think this ML zoom is a rare one, here is its optical scheme:
The above ML zoom was discontinued when C/Y vario-sonnar 3.4/35-70 was introduced,
so Zeiss's design was improved upon Yashica's ML zoom 3.5/35-70, since their optical
schemes are very close as you can see.
FYI: for Zeiss vario-sonnar 3.4/35-70
see > http://homepage18.seed.net.tw/web@5/dyhsu/camera/3570mtf.pdf _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
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Ymmot
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ymmot wrote:
I am certainly not an expert on this, however I can honestly not see why the Zeiss is descendant from the Yashica?
I see no more similarity between the yashica and the zeiss than for instance the yashica and a tamron sp 35-80, which seem to have much more in common in terms of design:
http://www.adaptall-2.org/lenses/01A.html
My point is that most of these 35-70 or 35-80 will probably be similar in design to some extend in my view (same as that most 50mm are double gauss derivative and highly alike in optical design between different manufacturers).
Sure they might have been built in the same factory at some point, however that does not automatically lead to this conclusion in my view. |
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Konica 35-70, Praktica 35-70 has both acceptable quality if you can't bring primes and they are small , both are available cheaply.
I did like very much Tamron SP 35-80 it has excellent quality, good as than a good prime lens. _________________ -------------------------------
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stonedes
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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stonedes wrote:
Thank you for the lens schemes Koji. That is interesting stuff! |
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