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50mm lens choice madness..FE 55, Rokinon, Canon FD L, Mitak
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:37 pm    Post subject: 50mm lens choice madness..FE 55, Rokinon, Canon FD L, Mitak Reply with quote

Hello!

I have been thinking about the Rokinon 50mm 1.4 as an upgrade to my current FD 50mm 1.4 with my Sony A7ii.
While this FD is the sharpest 50mm I have gotten at 1.4 after many tests, its still is a bit too glowy for my taste when I want to do a 1.4 environmental portrait.

The choices are a LOT though.

First I thought about the FD 50mm 1.2L as well. For me the L lenses have that allure to them and I love FD lenses for the most part (all but one lens I own are FD lenses).
Still the 1.2L seems pretty glowy as well and CA plus bad corners.

Then we got something like the Mitakon 50mm .95 which has that crazy aperture which could be fun and I am assuming at 1.2, 1.4 it should be pretty sharp hopefully. A lot more money though.

Then we also have something like the Sony FE 55mm 1.8 (not really manual lens sorry) which is a lot more money but people claim is as sharp as it gets for lenses....but somehow paying so much for such a slow 50mm (slow in the 50mm world that is), just seems wrong to me unless it is REALLY that good. Would love to see it side by side vs the Rokinon and Mitakon, etc at the same apertures and comparing Bokeh like .95 vs 1.2 vs 1.8

The main issue I have with the Rokinon is that there are some awesome reviews that show it comparing and even beating lenses like the FD 50mm 1.2L and similar and then the are some like that basically consider it to be good/average but nothing special.

Please comment


Last edited by shaolin95 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:58 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That glow is spherical aberration. All lenses have it to some degree, particularly fast ones. If you want to reduce it, just close the aperture one stop.

Otherwise, go see your bank manager and ask for a loan to buy one of the Leica Aspherical lenses.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
That glow is spherical aberration. All lenses have it to some degree, particularly fast ones. If you want to reduce it, just close the aperture one stop.

Otherwise, go see your bank manager and ask for a loan to buy one of the Leica Aspherical lenses.

I am looking for the fastest lens, with less glow and nice bokeh basically...
Also trying to find a Bokeh comparison among those speeds to see how different they really get.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
That glow is spherical aberration. All lenses have it to some degree, particularly fast ones. If you want to reduce it, just close the aperture one stop.

Otherwise, go see your bank manager and ask for a loan to buy one of the Leica Aspherical lenses.


Maybe the Voigtländer 50/1.5 aspherical would be an option without loan from the bank. Wink

In terms of price vs. optical quality not a bad choice. Actually my favorite fifty, though also a matter of taste. Obviously it works quite well on the A7 as well from what I've seen up to now. For me it's actually a very nice 75mm lens on my Ricoh GXR-M. Wink


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another lens to the mix Very Happy
I will research that one too. A local is selling the Rokinon about 2 hours away so I may drive there to take a few samples images to see how it compares to my FD. The curse of pixel peepers!


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot about the Nokton. Smile

Fast and without glow is not possible without aspherical surfaces and exotic glass types.

Also, glass condition is critical with older lenses, dust, fungus, cleaning marks, all can contribute to glow.

My Sonnar 1.5/50 has lots of glow wide open, despite perfect glass; however, close it one stop and the level of SA is reduced dramatically and hence the glow gets a lot less.

Hence I say closing the lens one stop is the way to combat excessive glow.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I forgot about the Nokton. Smile

Fast and without glow is not possible without aspherical surfaces and exotic glass types.

Also, glass condition is critical with older lenses, dust, fungus, cleaning marks, all can contribute to glow.

My Sonnar 1.5/50 has lots of glow wide open, despite perfect glass; however, close it one stop and the level of SA is reduced dramatically and hence the glow gets a lot less.

Hence I say closing the lens one stop is the way to combat excessive glow.

That is one of the reasons I am thinking on a lens like the Mitakon .95 since that gives me more chances to stop down if I want to minimize glow even though from some tests I saw, even at .95 it was very sharp and not glowy..quite impressive to me so far. Very Happy


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: 50mm lens choice madness..FE 55, Rokinon, Canon FD L, Mi Reply with quote

shaolin95 wrote:
Hello!

Then we got something like the Mitakon 50mm .95 which has that crazy aperture which could be fun and I am assuming at 1.2, 1.4 it should be pretty sharp hopefully. A lot more money though.

Please comment


I just love my Mitakon 'Dark Knight'! Yes, although I'm a crap shooter, as far as I can tell it's nice & sharp above f/1.0.

A couple of things that might sway you: the Mitakon's aperture ring is declicked; and it's *very* heavy, 720g as opposed to the Rokinon's 556g (according to B&H).

Best wishes,

Nick


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: 50mm lens choice madness..FE 55, Rokinon, Canon FD L, Mi Reply with quote

WannbeTilt wrote:
shaolin95 wrote:
Hello!

Then we got something like the Mitakon 50mm .95 which has that crazy aperture which could be fun and I am assuming at 1.2, 1.4 it should be pretty sharp hopefully. A lot more money though.

Please comment


I just love my Mitakon 'Dark Knight'! Yes, although I'm a crap shooter, as far as I can tell it's nice & sharp above f/1.0.

A couple of things that might sway you: the Mitakon's aperture ring is declicked; and it's *very* heavy, 720g as opposed to the Rokinon's 556g (according to B&H).

Best wishes,

Nick

Thanks for the info! You got any full size images wide open or close to wide open I can see? Smile
Oh I shoot almost exclusively legacy lenses and about to get an FD 300mm F2.8 so size and weight are never an issue for me unless it is somethig like the FD 400mm 2.8 and only because I want to keep it all in one bag Very Happy


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 50mm lens choice madness..FE 55, Rokinon, Canon FD L, Mi Reply with quote

shaolin95 wrote:

Thanks for the info! You got any full size images wide open or close to wide open I can see? Smile
Oh I shoot almost exclusively legacy lenses and about to get an FD 300mm F2.8 so size and weight are never an issue for me unless it is somethig like the FD 400mm 2.8 and only because I want to keep it all in one bag Very Happy


I'll look through my recent shots (just got it a month ago) and see what I can find!

Nick


PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 50mm lens choice madness..FE 55, Rokinon, Canon FD L, Mi Reply with quote

WannbeTilt wrote:
shaolin95 wrote:

Thanks for the info! You got any full size images wide open or close to wide open I can see? Smile
Oh I shoot almost exclusively legacy lenses and about to get an FD 300mm F2.8 so size and weight are never an issue for me unless it is somethig like the FD 400mm 2.8 and only because I want to keep it all in one bag Very Happy


I'll look through my recent shots (just got it a month ago) and see what I can find!

Nick

Awesome, thanks!


PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a comparison of FD 50/1.2 L with Sony SEL 50/1.8 OSS (which is almost as sharp as the FE 55mm) and I found that my FD is equally sharp at f/1.8, even though CA is quite worse. Wide open shots are the most acceptable ones among other 50/1.2 lenses that I've tried and actually the glowing effect is good for portrait, it makes the skin appears to be smoother. I got mine for about $400 and I think that is an rather good price. The main thing to consider getting this one or the FE 55mm is the autofocus, I think, so I don't buy the FE 55, just save it for a faster FE lenses in the future.

You can find that comparison in my album
https://www.flickr.com/photos/langstrum/albums/72157647047260934


PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: 50mm lens choice madness..FE 55, Rokinon, Canon FD L, Mi Reply with quote

shaolin95 wrote:
Awesome, thanks!


Hmm, another downside of this lens of course is that aperture info isn't transmitted to the camera body! So I have no record of what aperture my (so far, few) shots with the Mitakon were taken at.

I do have one or two which I can post, and I could also take a few shots today at different apertures. But (sorry to be dim!) I can't seem to find the forum's rules on image size - can anyone point me to them? Or would unaltered RAW files be more useful?

Nick


PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys, I thought Canon made a 55mm f1.2 ssc aspherical, I maybe wrong and they probably go for serious money!