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gearsNcogs
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 Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 4:56 am Post subject: 50/1.4 -- sharpest/least CA wide open? |
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i have a super-takumar 50/1.4, and while i love this lens, i have noticed fairly frustrating CA when shooting wide open, and even a little bit when stopped down to f2.
Just as a general question so that i know for the future, what would you say is the best (in regards to sharpness and CA) 50/1.4 lens to shoot wide open?
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
Takumars tend to miraculously reveal different level of CA on different DSLR cameras: http://www.pentax-forum.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=954&start=20
Slovenian language there but you can see the photos.
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gearsNcogs
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gearsNcogs wrote:
unfortunately, i had to sign in or something (i'm not exactly sure), so i wasnt able to see the pictures.
Is the CA particularly bad on Canons?
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cooltouch
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cooltouch wrote:
I haven't noticed significant levels of CA with either my Nikkor 50/1.4 AIs or my Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 SSC. But I should double-check to be sure, really.
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indianadinos wrote:
Hi,
I have the two versions of the SMC Takumar 50/1.04 and none of these shows CA on both my K10D and 5DII ...
Nevertheless, i have never used a Super Takumar 50/1.4 (softer coating) nor i have an APS-C Canon for testing ...
Actually, i think i have about 15 different 50/55/58mm lenses and, from the whole set, i think the SMC Tak 50/1.4 is the best performer wide open ...
But i have never used a Planar 50/1.4 ...
Last minute edit: just noticed in the 'Best of lenses' gallery some sample shots with a Planar 50/1.4 ZE on a Canon 7D ... Maybe these could interest you ...
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Laurentiu Cristofor
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: 50/1.4 -- sharpest/least CA wide open? |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
| gearsNcogs wrote: |
i have a super-takumar 50/1.4, and while i love this lens, i have noticed fairly frustrating CA when shooting wide open, and even a little bit when stopped down to f2.
Just as a general question so that i know for the future, what would you say is the best (in regards to sharpness and CA) 50/1.4 lens to shoot wide open? |
I think you're seeing the bokeh fringing, which some say it's not technically CA. I actually think it gives a special character to many images. Most fast lenses will show bokeh fringing, but I found the Voigtlander Nokton 58/1.4 to have less than most.
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gearsNcogs
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: |
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gearsNcogs wrote:
| indianadinos wrote: |
Actually, i think i have about 15 different 50/55/58mm lenses and, from the whole set, i think the SMC Tak 50/1.4 is the best performer wide open ...
But i have never used a Planar 50/1.4 ...
Last minute edit: just noticed in the 'Best of lenses' gallery some sample shots with a Planar 50/1.4 ZE on a Canon 7D ... Maybe these could interest you ... |
The SMC Tak and the Planar 50/1.4 are both lenses that interest me very much. i need to do more research before i'd buy either one, but they both seem to be fairly promising.
| Laurentiu Cristofor wrote: |
I think you're seeing the bokeh fringing, which some say it's not technically CA. I actually think it gives a special character to many images. Most fast lenses will show bokeh fringing, but I found the Voigtlander Nokton 58/1.4 to have less than most. |
well, as far as "bokeh fringing" is concerned, its true, i do see more fringing when something is slightly our of focus (green for front focus, magenta for back focus) , but even when something is perfectly in focus, there is a glowey, hazey, effect to it, which usually seems to have a magenta tint to it. but perhaps you are right, it may be that i'm being over critical of the lens.
Does anyone have a specific comparison/opinions on the Super-Tak, SMC Tak, or Planar 50/1.4 compared to the modern Canon EF 50/1.4 (AF lens) in regards to sharpness/CA?
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
RIVIERA Super-Takumar 1.4/50mm wide-open
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Cistron
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Cistron wrote:
From what I've read the new Voigtländer 58mm f1.4 is one of the best regarding CA. It costs a pretty penny by comparison to the others though. The Zuiko 1.4 appears to be very sharp.
I think it is very hard to correct for CA in such fast lenses and usually the oof regions will show various colour fringes.
Edit: hmm, I'm the wise guy once more who didn't read the whole thread. |
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Cistrom.
I don't remember if exist any APO 50 mm lens. All the rest have CA problem.
More or less controled CA, yes. But the circumstances of the image will be very important.
As you know, the less contrast range image and the more closed diafragm = less CA.
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AhamB
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AhamB wrote:
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Cistrom.
I don't remember if exist any APO 50 mm lens. All the rest have CA problem. |
I believe the Alpa Kern Switar 50/1.9 is apochromatic. The newest Leica Summilux-M 50/1.4 comes close as well, I've heard. APO doesn't guarantee at all that there is no bokeh fringing though. APO only applies to what happens in the focal plane. |
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
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| ..............I believe the Alpa Kern Switar 50/1.9 is apochromatic............ |
I had it for some years and has CA. Very well corrected, yes, but no APO lens.
I had the 2/100 and it's an APO lens. Not CA at all.
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Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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gearsNcogs
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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gearsNcogs wrote:
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RIVIERA Super-Takumar 1.4/50mm wide-open
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Absolutely wonderful picture.  i definitely believe it is possible to get amazing shots out of the Super-Tak (it's still my favorite lens by far of the ones i own) i was just thinking about what the next step might be, a little farther down the road.
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MF Lenses: M42: Meteor 5-1 KMZ 17-69mm 1:1,9 (Cine Only), Asahi Super Takumar 50mm 1:1.4, Focal MC 28mm 1:2.8, Tele-Lentar 135mm 1:2.8, Helios-44 KMZ 58mm 1:2, Helios-44-2 KMZ 58mm 1:2 M39: Industar-26M 50mm 1:2.8 F: Nikon Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 EF: Lensbaby Composer f2 w/Double Glass Optic, Rokinon 35mm 1:1.4 AS UMC, Rokinon 85mm T1.5 AS IF UMC
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cooltouch
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cooltouch wrote:
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I don't remember if exist any APO 50 mm lens. All the rest have CA problem.
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Canon's 55mm f/1.2 SSC Aspherical is probably the closest they ever came to an APO lens.
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Pancolart wrote:
@gearsNcogs: thanks, it was shot against direct (though late) sunlight. It's wide cut, otherwise sun is on the photo.
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cooltouch
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cooltouch wrote:
Yes, I really like the deep afternoon colors. Even the wide flare to the right of the photo isn't really objectionable. Really it's to be expected with that sort of shot, isn't it.
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Cistron wrote:
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| Really it's to be expected with that sort of shot, isn't it. |
We're just so used to flare from TV and movies. So used that I think they artificially added flare to the last Star Trek production. |
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