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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: omeone tell me an opinion on this lens. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't own one, but those who do praise it high. They're quite scarce though. I would pay $50-60 for a copy in good condition; they seem to go higher than that.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I remember correctly it has been a favourite in this forum some month ago ... at the standard sales prices on "The Bay" you are running no big risk to sink much money, so it's worth a try.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@aoleg: unfortunately you're in Canada ... otherwise I could offer one to you - but the shipping prices will most probably kill the deal.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen that there are two versions, 6 elements 5 groups & 7 at 6. What differences, known by the acronym or the serial number?
Tanks, ...

The life is more easy with this forum .... Laughing


PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In another forum we have some members who are collecting the whole ML Serie. If you use Google translation, you can read.

http://www.digicamclub.de/showthread.php?t=10672

I only did own the predeccesors, Yashica DS-M 24/35/50/135 and 200mm

The DS-M Version was 6 Elements in 5 Groups.. dont know the ML Version.

Someone post this:

Das Yashica ML 35mm F2.8 ist baugleich mit dem Hoya HMC 35mm F2.8..
Beide basieren auf dem Tokina RMC 35mm (MX35)


means:
the Yashica ML 2.8/35mm is equivalent with the Hoya HMC 35mm. Both based on the Tokina RMC 35mm (MX35). The are only different in colorendition.

He refers a japanese side for that.

Here are some samples, taken on a crop, from another forum member..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/paguru/sets/72157619348745221/

The DS-M Version i did have was fantastic and as far as i know, the ML Version should be the same or better.

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some professional photographer said ML 35/2.8 is almost equivalent to
C/Y Distagon 35/2.8, though its colour is a bit cooler side. These are
from using the newer version of 6 group 7 element lens.

The older 5 group 6 element lens may have diagonal pattern of
focus ring (rubber I guess, since I do not have one), newer version has
straight pattern. But guessing from 50/1.9 and 50/1.4 lenses, see >



The left two are older and more decorative ML 50mm 1.9 and 1.4, the right-hand
one is newer ML 50/1.4.

My ML lens examples are > http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/mylens_yashicas


PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hinnerker, koji, aoleg & Cobalt60.
Many thanks Wink


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: .... Reply with quote

for what i see ....
yashica lenses are not very good....
probably the 35mm and 24mm are only the 2 lenses better built of this japanese company !!!

I have only the 135mm and I must say than It is fully CA lover !
horrible lens !


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Francotirador and all the People:

I have a Yashica 35mm-2,8, preset and non multicoated, M42.

This old lens has an irreproachable yield. It cost me in Barcelona, 12 € in 1984.

Bests Regards. David


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote

metallaro1980 wrote:
for what i see ....
yashica lenses are not very good....
probably the 35mm and 24mm are only the 2 lenses better built of this japanese company !!!

I have only the 135mm and I must say than It is fully CA lover !
horrible lens !


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First of all, we have to make clear, from what Yashica lenses you are talking.

We have to differantiate in the different Lines/Series, Yashica did produce.

Yashikor, DX, DS, DS-M and ML.

To say i have one lens, and the lens is not good.. says really nothing.

Without differentating this lines/series, you cant really talk about Yashica Lenses.

I did own the Yashica DS-M Line/Serie from 24,35,50,135mm and 200mm

Only the 135mm was an average lens. The 1.4/50mm is a superb one, outperforms in my eyes after a long competitive test the Olympus Zuiko 1.4/50mm. The 35mm is also a superb lens, with very nice color rendition and sharpness on a FF Cam. The 24mm is also a real winner in my eyes.
The Yashica DS-M 4/200mm is also a great lens.

In the whole DS-M Line, only the 135mm is not as good as espected.

Friends of mine are collecting the Yashica ML Line.. from 21 to 200mm and also do have the "fisheye" for the line.. we are sending us our lenses across germany to compair the DS-M Line against the ML Line...

The 135mm ML is better then the 135mm in DS-M Version. But both are not more then average. The 1.4/50mm ML is not as good as the DS-M Version of this focal length.
The ML 2.8/55mm Macro ML is superb. I did a comparison against a very good and sharp Nikon AI 3.5/55mm Micro Nikkor.

All lenses we have tested are in this two series are brilliant performers (excluding the 135mm DS-M and the 1.4/50mm ML)

So why you can make such a general statement, Yashica lenses are not good?

Cheers
Henry


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petzval 1840 wrote:
Hi Francotirador and all the People:

I have a Yashica 35mm-2,8, preset and non multicoated, M42.

This old lens has an irreproachable yield. It cost me in Barcelona, 12 € in 1984.

Bests Regards. David


Again, which Yashica line.. is this a Yashikor or a Yashinon lens?
The first Yashikor 35mm was a horrible lens.. !

Everyone who post here for Yashica lenses should give the exact name and serie of the lens.. otherwise yourself make a big mistake in experience and also thinking about Yashica Lenses... believe me..

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote

hinnerker wrote:
metallaro1980 wrote:
for what i see ....
yashica lenses are not very good....
probably the 35mm and 24mm are only the 2 lenses better built of this japanese company !!!

I have only the 135mm and I must say than It is fully CA lover !
horrible lens !


-.-


First of all, we have to make clear, from what Yashica lenses you are talking.

We have to differantiate in the different Lines/Series, Yashica did produce.

Yashikor, DX, DS, DS-M and ML.

To say i have one lens, and the lens is not good.. says really nothing.

Without differentating this lines/series, you cant really talk about Yashica Lenses.

I did own the Yashica DS-M Line/Serie from 24,35,50,135mm and 200mm

Only the 135mm was an average lens. The 1.4/50mm is a superb one, outperforms in my eyes after a long competitive test the Olympus Zuiko 1.4/50mm. The 35mm is also a superb lens, with very nice color rendition and sharpness on a FF Cam. The 24mm is also a real winner in my eyes.
The Yashica DS-M 4/200mm is also a great lens.

In the whole DS-M Line, only the 135mm is not as good as espected.

Friends of mine are collecting the Yashica ML Line.. from 21 to 200mm and also do have the "fisheye" for the line.. we are sending us our lenses across germany to compair the DS-M Line against the ML Line...

The 135mm ML is better then the 135mm in DS-M Version. But both are not more then average. The 1.4/50mm ML is not as good as the DS-M Version of this focal length.
The ML 2.8/55mm Macro ML is superb. I did a comparison against a very good and sharp Nikon AI 3.5/55mm Micro Nikkor.

All lenses we have tested are in this two series are brilliant performers (excluding the 135mm DS-M and the 1.4/50mm ML)

So why you can make such a general statement, Yashica lenses are not good?

Cheers
Henry



PLEASE CAN YOU LOOK THIS PICTURES ?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4203215050/sizes/o/

do you see CA ?

for me, there are a lot of CA ....

the picture was taken using f:4
i can immagine the ca using f:2.8 !!!!!
for me good is:
no ca
good contrast, micro-contrast etc

with adobe photoshop and plugins I am not successful to correct the ca !


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DS-M nice , sharp even at wide open.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/yashica/auto-yashinon-ds-m-135mm-f2-8/

#1 wide open behind glass
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/yashica/auto-yashinon-ds-m-135mm-f2-8/Yashica_135mm_f2_8_M42-100.jpg.html

#2 ML lens has a version marked with "C" Made by Cosina average lens
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/yashica/yashica_ml_135mm_f2_8/


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote

metallaro1980 wrote:
hinnerker wrote:
metallaro1980 wrote:
for what i see ....
yashica lenses are not very good....
probably the 35mm and 24mm are only the 2 lenses better built of this japanese company !!!

I have only the 135mm and I must say than It is fully CA lover !
horrible lens !


-.-


First of all, we have to make clear, from what Yashica lenses you are talking.

We have to differantiate in the different Lines/Series, Yashica did produce.

Yashikor, DX, DS, DS-M and ML.

To say i have one lens, and the lens is not good.. says really nothing.

Without differentating this lines/series, you cant really talk about Yashica Lenses.

I did own the Yashica DS-M Line/Serie from 24,35,50,135mm and 200mm

Only the 135mm was an average lens. The 1.4/50mm is a superb one, outperforms in my eyes after a long competitive test the Olympus Zuiko 1.4/50mm. The 35mm is also a superb lens, with very nice color rendition and sharpness on a FF Cam. The 24mm is also a real winner in my eyes.
The Yashica DS-M 4/200mm is also a great lens.

In the whole DS-M Line, only the 135mm is not as good as espected.

Friends of mine are collecting the Yashica ML Line.. from 21 to 200mm and also do have the "fisheye" for the line.. we are sending us our lenses across germany to compair the DS-M Line against the ML Line...

The 135mm ML is better then the 135mm in DS-M Version. But both are not more then average. The 1.4/50mm ML is not as good as the DS-M Version of this focal length.
The ML 2.8/55mm Macro ML is superb. I did a comparison against a very good and sharp Nikon AI 3.5/55mm Micro Nikkor.

All lenses we have tested are in this two series are brilliant performers (excluding the 135mm DS-M and the 1.4/50mm ML)

So why you can make such a general statement, Yashica lenses are not good?

Cheers
Henry



PLEASE CAN YOU LOOK THIS PICTURES ?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4203215050/sizes/o/

do you see CA ?

for me, there are a lot of CA ....

the picture was taken using f:4
i can immagine the ca using f:2.8 !!!!!
for me good is:
no ca
good contrast, micro-contrast etc

with adobe photoshop and plugins I am not successful to correct the ca !


http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/mfl_club_members/esoxlucius/czplanar85zf/_ND38678.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3

Newest Planar 85mm f1.4 ZF look inside tree ... looks CA to me too. I got CA with many lenses Flektogon 35mm, CZJ Sonnar 200mm f2.8 none of them was bad lens.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, did you read my post? Dont think so..

Here an example of the 24mm DS-M... seemed to be a bad lens, because its from Yashica... OPEN THE LINKS IN A NEW BROWSER TAB ; after following the link, click in the images to enlarge to high resolution

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/yashinon/tomioka_yashinon__24mm_09-03-08_80.JPG

Your definition says.. Yashica Lenses are bad...

look here.. 200mm DS-M

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/yashinon/200er.JPG

Or do you mean this DS-M 1.4/50mm Crop is coming from a poor Yashica lens?

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/yashinon/nahcrop-14-bl8-1250px.jpg

This one comes from a DS-M 35mm Yashica.. what a poor lens...

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/yashinon/yashinon_35mm_bl8_2.JPG

Sorry, but your conclusion, having one lens means the whole Yashica Range of lenses... is poor. As i wrote, the 135mm is average... in both Series.. ML and DS-M.. but to say Yashica lenses are bad or not so good... ?

Cheers
Henry


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe i am too pernickety ....
ok.....


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote

metallaro1980 wrote:

PLEASE CAN YOU LOOK THIS PICTURES ?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4203215050/sizes/o/


Metallaro, please do not address other forum members by writing in capital letters. It is considered like shouting and therefore not respectful.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
metallaro1980 wrote:

PLEASE CAN YOU LOOK THIS PICTURES ?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4203215050/sizes/o/


Metallaro, please do not address other forum members by writing in capital letters. It is considered like shouting and therefore not respectful.

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ok i understand ...


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looking here:
http://www.zen20934.zen.co.uk/photography/MTF_Files/200mm_Region/index.htm


i would like to try the Canon EF 2/135 L.....
or the 180 macro ....
i prefer the 180 O.O


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

therefore is it practically impossible to realize a objective with ca free ?

I have mistaken, I recognize my error !


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

metallaro1980 wrote:
therefore is it practically impossible to realize a objective with ca free ?

I have mistaken, I recognize my error !


A lens completely free from CA is called "achromatic" and it's only a theoretical lens, because so far it has been impossible to produce such a lens in reality.

Achromatic concept:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acromatico

A lens with a much reduced to nearly absent CA is called Apochromatic, and it is currently produced by several manufacturers.

Apochromatic concept:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocromatico

Regarding your comments, you seem to keep expecting top performance from cheap lenses. I'm sorry but this rarely happens, if ever. Yashica lenses are good lenses within their price range which is the cheap/affordable range.
They can not offer the performance of apochromatic lenses becuase they are not apochromatic, and if they were, they would not be cheap in price.

If you want to get lenses that are top quality, highly resolving and free from most optical problems, you need to spend the corresponding money.
We have already explained this concept, I gave you a list of high quality lenses, you keep insisting in wanting to get blood out of a turnip...


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 to Orio.

I have some really good Yashicas, old ones and new ones. But that's not to say they'll be fantastic on a full frame 5D mark II. It is very widely accepted that serious money has to be spent to get lenses capable of matching the sensor's quality.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posted a reply before I noticed page two...

I 100% agree with Orio. Shrek also repeats good lesson; It's not your sportscar to blame if you use tyres designed for family cars.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote

metallaro1980 wrote:
for what i see ....
yashica lenses are not very good....
probably the 35mm and 24mm are only the 2 lenses better built of this japanese company !!!

Uh. I have the 21, 24, 28, 35, 50 (all of 1.4, 1.7, 1.9, 2), 55/2.8, 135, 200, 300, 28-80, 28-85, 35-70, 35-105, 42-75, 70-150, 70-210, 75-200, 80-200, 100-300.

So I rather disagree.