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uddhava
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject: Why is the Nex good for manual focus lenses? |
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uddhava wrote:
I am thinking about buying a Nex, because I my present Canon T3 DSLR camera is not
so satisfactory for me due to the small viewfinder.
I have read comments that users like it better than their DSLRs and I wonder
what is the improvement? Comments or links would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4573 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
hm..can it be that someone doesn't know yet?
my short summary:
live view on LCD / EVF shows what sensor will record, enlargement of view is VERY helpful for focusing ( magnification factor is not constant with all NEX models, for my NEX5N it is x4.8 and x9.5 )
Focus peaking is another great help for focusing, the edges of what's in focus will change colors to show that it is in focus, focus peaking also works when enlargement is activated.
NEX will expose adapted lenses automatically correct by measuring the light hitting the sensor, that is without knowing the aperture chosen on the lens, e.g. A mode works
short register distance means pretty much any lens can be adapted, most adapters are very cheap, abt. 10 usd
NEX cameras are small and light, well, not everybody likes that, I do _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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Jesito
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
Don't forget the minimal register distance (18mm) in front of the Canon (44mm) that allows for much more lenses to be easyly adapted to the NEX line.
(i.e., if you want to use a Canon FD lens on a Canon DSLR, there are only two options: mechanize the lens and replace the mount or use an special adapter that has a lens inside that lowers the resulting image quality. On a NEx, a simple and cheap adapter with no lens inside will do the trick). _________________ Jesito, Moderator
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Since I got my NEX the Pentax K10 pretty much gathers dust, it's just so versatile with old lenses. I love the live view, the magnification and focus peaking, the tilting screen, it works and exposes in a few different modes - I generally use Shutter Priority and watch the histogram and live view to gauge exposure with the lens set for the DoF I want. Adapters are cheap and so are lenses, I don't mind spending the price of a couple of beers just to see how a lens performs, sometimes I get lucky and actually buy a good lens.
What's not to like about the NEX ? _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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uddhava
Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 3073 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
Thanks for the information.
Is the Nex 3 missing any important feature, if try to go for a bargain, is it better
to save up for a different model?
Also, I am playing around with Magic Lantern on my camera how does it compare (magnified focus and focus peaking)
with the Nex? |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4573 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
can't say how magic lantern compares
the original NEX3 and NEX5, like the new NEX3N ( which has an integrated flash the NEX3/5 don't have ) do not accept the optional EVF
NEX5N/R/T and F3 take optional EVF, NEX6 and 7 have an integrated EVF _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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uddhava
Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 3073 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
kuuan wrote: |
can't say how magic lantern compares
the original NEX3 and NEX5, like the new NEX3N ( which has an integrated flash the NEX3/5 don't have ) do not accept the optional EVF
NEX5N/R/T and F3 take optional EVF, NEX6 and 7 have an integrated EVF |
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4748 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
I find the NEX difficult for sports photography and where the subject is moving quickly i.e motor racing or air shows, the eye level viewfinder of my Nikon is best for that. I keep both eyes open so its easier to find the fst moving subject.
But apart from that, Like Dave (Lloydy) its my normal camera now, the Nikons hardly get used at all for amateur stuff now. In fact my old film cameras get used more then the DSLR's
Mine is a NEX-5K. It appears to be same as the 5N _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I have two NEX-3 both have 15 USD cost LCD viewfinder, I like better than NEX-7 EVF, adapters usually nice even cheapest ones.
No remote control to nex-3 I did miss that only really, but with timer function you can replace it. I have oldest NEX-3 cameras. _________________ -------------------------------
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I believe the NEX5 has a alloy chassis rather than polycarbonate. I've had big heavy lenses on my NEX5 and mounted it on a tripod using the NEX mount and it's very solid. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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uddhava
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
kuuan wrote: |
hm..can it be that someone doesn't know yet?
...,focus peaking also works when enlargement is activated....
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Is this for all models? |
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uddhava
Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 3073 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
Attila wrote: |
I have two NEX-3 both have 15 USD cost LCD viewfinder, I like better than NEX-7 EVF, adapters usually nice even cheapest ones.
No remote control to nex-3 I did miss that only really, but with timer function you can replace it. I have oldest NEX-3 cameras. |
Hi Attila, are the LCD viewfinders you bought the magnetic types or the ones that attach to the tripod screw hole?
Would they work for someone that uses reading glasses? And finally, do you have a link to purchase the viewfinder?
Well i don't really have the camera yet.
Thanks.
Thanks to everyone for the information. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Magnetic is crappy have to ruin camera with glued frame, I use tripod screw mount one. You can use normal reading glass, diopter is not adjustable. I have adjustable one too, but not works no diopter correction. Focus peak , magnify works with all model even oldest one up-gradable to use it.
incompatible with NEX-7
Click here to see on Ebay _________________ -------------------------------
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uddhava
Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 3073 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Magnetic is crappy have to ruin camera with glued frame, I use tripod screw mount one. You can use normal reading glass, diopter is not adjustable. I have adjustable one too, but not works no diopter correction. Focus peak , magnify works with all model even oldest one up-gradable to use it.
incompatible with NEX-7
Click here to see on Ebay |
Okay, thanks a lot!
Nice weather for this time of the year! Maybe snow on Wednesday though. |
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enzodm
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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enzodm wrote:
I have both a Nex 3 and a Canon 60D with Magic Lantern, but both Nex and ML since too few time to have a full understanding of them.
However, I like slightly more ML implementation of focus peaking: while on the Nex you see mostly contrasted edges, ML gives a view on areas too, in form of sparse points as you already know.
The magnification on 60D with ML is just a small piece around the focus point picture-in-picture style: I like it (you can focus and frame) and I'm not sure whether the Nex could too.
Regarding the Nex, which I like and I'm glad to have bought it anyway because I spent just few money, it seems there is some color shift issue with wide-angle lenses, and actually I found my Industar 28/2.8 indeed shows some of it. However, it seems also that 3N is better from this point of view. _________________
Canon 60D, Tamron 17-50VC, Canon 55-250IS, Sigma 50-150/2.8 plus:
Wide: Mir 20/3.5, Kenlock 24/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Yashikor 35/2.8, Mir 37/2.8
Fifties: Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Pentacon 50/1.8, Zenitar 50/1.9, Leica Summicron 50/2, CZJ Pancolar 50/2, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, Industar 50/3.5 , Rikenon 55/1.4, Petri 55/1.8, Helios 58/2
In the middle: Cyclop 85/1.5, Nikon 100/2.8
135s: Tamron 135/2.5, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5, Jupiter 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar 135/4, Tamron Twin Tele 135-225
Tele: Soligor 200/2.8, Pentax Super Takumar 200/4, Hanimex 400/6.3, Makinon 500/8
Various: Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 135/4.5, Tominon 105/4.5, Vest Pocket Kodak meniscus, Wray Supar 2"/4.5
Sony Nex 6 plus:
Industar 69 28/2.8, Fujian 35/1.7, Rokkor 50/1.4, Jupiter 50/2, Cosmicar 50/2.8, Industar-22 50/3.5, Leitz Elmar 90/4, Canon Serenar 100/4
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
uddhava wrote: |
Thanks for the information.
Is the Nex 3 missing any important feature, if try to go for a bargain, is it better
to save up for a different model?
Also, I am playing around with Magic Lantern on my camera how does it compare (magnified focus and focus peaking)
with the Nex? |
Important:
-Younger NEX models than first NEX-3 and NEX-5 and NEX-7 have about one stop better high ISO.
(ISO 3200 of NEX-5N/C3 looks about as good as ISO1600 from NEX-3/5)
-6+7 series have an build-in electronic viewfinder (EVF)
-All recent NEX bodies (NEX 6, NEX 5R, NEX 5T, ILCE 5000...) have Wifi abbility (so can export pictures to a mobile phone or tablet for example) and you can install a few apps apps for extra features like Timelapse, Multi-Exposure, and some more or less "toy-tools"...
https://www.playmemoriescameraapps.com/portal/
-NEX-3 has no IR reciever for an IR-remote (I don't know if younger from NEX-3 series have that)
NEX-7 (and maybe NEX-6) have much more buttons etc., you can do much more without going into the menue
Imho less important:
-NEX-3 has no Full-HD Video (only 720p), while all other have that as far as I know
5, 6 and 7 Series have better build quality than 3 series (magnesium alloy instead of plastic)
NEX-6 (and maybe other recent ones) have an normal classic flash shoe instead of tiny crappy flash shoe from NEX-3/5/5N etc., though there are cheap manual adapters (no TTL) for NEX-3/5/5N,...
NEX-7 has an old Minolta flash shoe (I know it's quite confusing - Sony has/had three flash shoes!)
Some recent bodies incl. 6+7 have an build in pop-up flash instead of a tiny external flash.
PS: Original NEX firmware is a bit better than magic lantern imho. It's depending on the bodies though, _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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Tedat
Joined: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 800 Location: Berlin/Germany
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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
ForenSeil wrote: |
-NEX-3 has no IR reciever for an IR-remote (I don't know if younger from NEX-3 series have that) |
nope.. still no IR receiver on any NEX-3 body
in addition to your list:
the optional EVF (FDA-EV1S) can be used on NEX-5N, 5R, 5T and NEX-F3 _________________ Regards
Jan
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Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
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KingRoach
Joined: 21 Dec 2013 Posts: 87 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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KingRoach wrote:
Just a quick entry, sorry I haven't read the thread so maybe this has been said:
the main difference for me would be the register distance. With a mirrorless camera the sensor is shallow enough in the body for you to be able to use almost any lens that ever existed with the right adapter. With a DSLR you are somewhat limited in your choice due to the mirror chamber, even though the choice of lenses available to you is still plenty.
However, there is one more thing to keep in mind: the lack of an optical viewfinder in daylight in mirrorless cameras can be quite annoying.
I like the idea of NEX's focus peaking which they say works with manual focus lenses, but if you cannot see the LCD screen that can become quite an issue.
All the rest is personal preferences (for example, I hate touchscreens and prefer buttons and dials, someone else might not).
Hope my two cents could help a bit. _________________ HELP MY STUDIES
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Tedat
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
KingRoach wrote: |
However, there is one more thing to keep in mind: the lack of an optical viewfinder in daylight in mirrorless cameras can be quite annoying. |
like said before.. for NEX5N/R/T and F3 exists a optional EVF, NEX6 and 7 have an integrated EVF. This can help a lot.. _________________ Regards
Jan
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Contax T*: Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Distagon 1.4/35, PC-Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50, Planar 1.4/85, Planar 2/100, Planar 2/135, S-Planar 2.8/60, Tessar 2.8/45, Mirotar 8/500, Vario Sonnar 3.4/35-70, Vario Sonnar 4.5-5.6/100-300
Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
Other: Minolta F2.8 [T4.5] 135mm STF, Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90.. and lots of early M42 Yashinon, Rikenon and Mamiya lenses |
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KingRoach
Joined: 21 Dec 2013 Posts: 87 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:56 am Post subject: |
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KingRoach wrote:
Yes, just saw the NeX 7 with its EVF. The optional viewfinder can be an expensive accessory for some.
It's all personal preferences in the end really. All about knowing your options, your preferences, and your money.
If I'm buying a camera with a whole lot of intention to adapt old glass, I'd go mirrorless simply due to the register distance. _________________ HELP MY STUDIES
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jamesbondaka007
Joined: 30 Jan 2014 Posts: 7 Location: USA midwest
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:38 pm Post subject: can't agree more |
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jamesbondaka007 wrote:
I recently switched from Canon 6D to NEX6 then, and now a7. I still have my 6D, but it has been on the shelve for some time.
I felt bad every now and then about neglecting the 6D. But it is so much more fun to shot with the manual lenses. I know I can use Canon for vintage lenses, but NEX makes it so much easier to shot manual than canon "live view"
Hope I am not the only one feeling bad about the DSRL system. _________________ FALL in “Love” with all these wonderful Vintage Lenses; after I recently switched to NEXa7 from Canon 6D
Canon EF: 50mm 1.4, 28-70mm L, 85mm L, 200mm L
M42/39 mount: Helios 44-2, Helios 44m-7 58mm f2.0, Jupiter 3 50mm 1.5 LTM (M39) (Red P), Jupiter 9 85mm 2.0. Meyer Optik Orestor135mm 2.8 Meyer Optik Orestor 100mm 2.8 Meyer Optik 180mm 5.5, Meyer Tripoplan 50mm 2.9, Meyer Domiplan 50 2.8,
Exakta: Zeiss Tessar 50mm 2.8 (Red T), Takumar SMC 135mm 2.5, Takumar SMC 105mm 2.8, Yashinon DX 50mm 1.4, Yashica ML 50mm 1.4
Minolta: PF 135mm f2.8, Minolta Rokkor X 50mm 1.7
Canon FD mount: Fdn 24mm 2.8, Fdn 50mm 1.4, FD SSC 28mm f2.0, FD SSC 35mm f2.0, FD SSC 85mm f1.8, FD SSC 50mm f3.5 Macro, Tokina RMC 17mm f3.5, Tamron Adaptall2 24mm f2.5 |
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yinyangbt
Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 1973 Location: Romania
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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yinyangbt wrote:
Nothing is perfect. Nex would be all most perfect as a camera to fit manual lenses if it had in body image stabilisation .
Anyway , great camera for MFL .The basic Nex 3 has great value . _________________ Cheers , Teo
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