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luisalegria
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 Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject: Who made these 28/2.8 ? Sun or Tokina ? |
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luisalegria wrote:
I picked up this curious Sun 28/2.8, it looks like its from the early-mid-1970's -
L- Sears 28/2.8 R - Sun 28/2.8
L- Sears 28/2.8 R - Sun 28/2.8
The odd thing is that it is the same lens as my Sears 28/2.8, other than in cosmetic details, I was certain that this Sears was a Tokina, because the series of lenses it is part of are also Tokinas and vecause it so resembles the T4 28/2.8 lens -
L-R - Sun, Sears, Soligor T4
The definitely Tokina-made Soligor T4 (because only Tokina made T4's) has the same details of lens diameter, optical element length (front objective-rear objective center-to-center), details of name-ring, filter diameter, minimum focus, engraving of focus scale, etc. It seems like the same lens in a different barrel, which is understandable as it is a T4. The Sears version is the same as that sold under dozens of brand names, which is also usual for Tokina. Sun did sell lenses to merchants also, but never so much.
So, did Tokina make this lens for Sun ? Or did Sun make this lens for Sears, Tokina, etc. ?
Is it possible that Sun was buying these from Tokina in the 1970's in order to fill out its product line while it concentrated on zooms ? Or did Tokina buy this design from Sun ?
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Hi!
It's very difficult to know. I don't think that sun did the 28 mm for tokina, who did lot of 24, 28, 35, etc. If it's certain that one did a 28 lens for the other, it seems tha tokina did them for sun, who did a zooms lenses and perhaps not primes ones.
Sun (with his champagne color) was able to make his own 28 mm, a simple lens with knowed and tried schame .
May be each one did your own lens.
Mistery to reveal. Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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casualcollector
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Who made these 28/2.8 ? Sun or Tokina ? |
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casualcollector wrote:
| luisalegria wrote: |
| Is it possible that Sun was buying these from Tokina in the 1970's in order to fill out its product line while it concentrated on zooms ? Or did Tokina buy this design from Sun ? |
I agree with your first conclusion, Luis. Your 28 bears all of the Tokina styling cues and variations we've seen on Soligor, Sears, Focal, Lentar, etc. Perhaps some cooperation on design between the two as the 90-230/4.5 Tokina has a physical resemblance to the Sun 80-200/4.5 that was most commonly seen as a pre-set.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
WOW!!
This questions of brands, subcontracts, etc are magic for me.
I love read your posts Luis, Cassualcollector, Attila, Orio and all the guys.
Thanks for share your knowing and learn me a lot.
RINO.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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