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Voigtländer SL 180mm f/4 APO-Lanthar (original size samples)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:43 pm    Post subject: Voigtländer SL 180mm f/4 APO-Lanthar (original size samples) Reply with quote

I decided to start a new topic for this lens, as it has been discussed somewhat in bokeh topics but a search did not return any lens-specific topic.

As far as I know, this gem is sold out everywhere and the few used ones available on the aftermarket sell for same (or more) than new did. Personal verdict: Apart from half an f-stop of vignetting and tiny loss of contrast, it does as good a job wide open as at f/5.6. In field use, I can't tell the difference from f/5.6 to f/8 even when pixel-peeping! Excellent detail (but watch the DoF at close focus) with colors and out of focus rendering classified as cream machine.

Color mode is standard, so I have not pushed saturation at all - they look like this out of camera.






Here's a link to a photoset containing more samples. These are (almost) all uploaded original size. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mureena/sets/72157605301652112/
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonderful samples from a wonderful lens. I'm a big fan also of the quality of all the Lanthars, and this one is no different, nice work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful shots, nice bokeh.

I am wondering whether I should get this lens or not, since seldom
use longer focal lens beyond 80mm. Y'know my birthday is coming. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember, you only live once koji Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
Remember, you only live once koji Laughing
Crying or Very sad Wink Rolling Eyes Sad Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also a 125mm and 90mm (and 75mm) version of that lens, if that makes it easier to decide... Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful shoots! Thank you for sharing!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahaha Klaus,

I have Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5 already, but it is L-mount lens.
Missed to buy Macro 125mm darn Sad
180/4 is a bit too long for me. Confused

Only if I can live twice....Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kds315* wrote:
There is also a 125mm and 90mm (and 75mm) version of that lens, if that makes it easier to decide... Wink Wink


Yes!

Although the 75mm is a Color-Heliar rather than an APO-Lanthar
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisLilley wrote:
Although the 75mm is a Color-Heliar rather than an APO-Lanthar


I guess it's the "APO" bit that makes all the difference...

BTW, great pictures, Vilhelm.

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone!

Compact size, low weight and sharp already from wide open. Depth of field wide open at 1.2m is only 9mm and at f/8 only 18mm so a good viewfinder or focusing screen is required.

The focusing feel and throw is of course in its own class when compared to AF lenses. Excellent build quality and well designed gearing on this lens make it easy to use even at close focusing limit.
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Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abbazz wrote:
ChrisLilley wrote:
Although the 75mm is a Color-Heliar rather than an APO-Lanthar


I guess it's the "APO" bit that makes all the difference...


Yup. The APO is "what" (apochromatic, corrected at three wavelengths) and the Lanthar is "how" (Lanthanum glass, though I suspect thats not used nowadays).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 90/3.5 has long been one of my most used lenses - it certainly compares very well with the best of the nikkors.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price in Japan:

Just checked two online-shops

APO 90/3.5SL 20,000Yen for Y/C mount, 27,000Yen for M42
APO 125/2.5SL 84,000Yen for Y/C mount

The price is largely dependent on the condition and store, some are
always cheaper than others.

It is relatively hard to find F-mount ones.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that I need to add Japan to my list of countries where to do assignments this spring Razz
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Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28-300/3.5-5.6G VR, 35/1.4G, 35/1.8G DX, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50mm f/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4D, 85/1.4G, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR II
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 10-24/3.5-4.5G, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G, 18-105/3.5-5.6G VR
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180

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