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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: affordable short no distortion M42 lens? |
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kuuan wrote:
Now after using my first manual lenses I realized that e.g my 50mm lenses on my Pentax which makes them 75mm still show some distortion.
Which makes me wonder:
which is the shortest M42 lens without distortion?
and second question would be: which one is a cheap one?
as until now, and while being in Japan I am going for japanese lenses, how about the Takumar 55mm f1.8?
thank you for any hint,
Andreas _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Hello. You have a 50 mm takum. 1,4. Well, all the lenses with F1,4 have a barrel distortion. Ones more than others, but all have it. Don't forget that are lenses with design of 30 years or more. May be loocking for 50 or 55 mm with maxim. aperture F/1,8, F/2 or F/2,8 you may have better results. Pentacon MC 50 mm. 1,8; EBC fujinon 55 mm F/1,8; SMC takumar 55F/1,8, all of this are excelents and in the cheapest side.
And if you like to soft portrait, the helios 44 (the "2" especialy) is good. |
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Flor27
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 1195 Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Flor27 wrote:
For your Pentax SLR you can get the SMC Pentax-M 40mm f:2.8 lens, the lovely pancake.
Distortion seems near 0 ! Full frame EOS 5D capture here. The wooden blinds aren't aligned with the window's frame on the bottom.
SMC takumar 55F/1,8 & 55F/2.0 (which are the same optical lens but with a ring to limit aperture for marketing reason) show strong barrel distortion, more than the Helios-44-2. _________________ Switching from M42 to Minolta MD & Contax/Yashica
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
thank you very much for your answers.
The Helios seems like a 'must' lens,
I had thought that the 40mm pancake is more like a gimmick, but I certainly will have a look out for one, though it may cost more than I am willing to spend right now. Flor I don't see any image in your post though..
thank's again,
Andreas _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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Flor27
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 1195 Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Flor27 wrote:
Just click here. Sorry for hidding the link _________________ Switching from M42 to Minolta MD & Contax/Yashica |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
oops sorry Flor for not having seen, and thank you for reposting!
very streight lines indeed! _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: Re: affordable short no distortion M42 lens? |
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Orio wrote:
kuuan wrote: |
which is the shortest M42 lens without distortion? |
Flektogon 4/20 , no lens can beat it for lack of distortion.
kuuan wrote: |
and second question would be: which one is a cheap one? |
The Flek 4/20 usually goes for 150-200 Euros, don't know how "cheap" this sounds to you, I think that if you compare it with other 20mm lenses it is affordable, of course if you compare it with 50mm lenses it may not sound affordable anymore. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: Re: affordable short no distortion M42 lens? |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I would recommend my Canon EF-S 17-85 IS with hardly any distortion at the wide end.
OK, just kidding (but actually it isn't much worse than most of the AF standard zoom lenses.)
Let's get serious:
Orio wrote: |
kuuan wrote: |
which is the shortest M42 lens without distortion? |
Flektogon 4/20 , no lens can beat it for lack of distortion.
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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: |
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padiej wrote:
Good Day!
Very usefull is using a good hood to avert reflections.
Then all lenses they are starting with f2,8 works good on my Pentax.
Adreas, try the SMC-M Serie, and you will see, this serie works good on the DSLR.
greetings Peter _________________ Cam: Canon EOS 5D, 50D, 500D, Pentax Ist DL
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
thank you very much Orio and LucisPictor for your recommendation.
The Flek 4/20 it is then, great, did not expect it from a 20mm lens!
One lens more for my most wanted list!
As I expected it to be a lens in the 50mm range, may I ask further:
If it was a 35 to 50mm, which lens would you vote for?
and on 20mm
I remember that, in another thread, unlike others you, Orio, did recommend the Mir 20mm f3,5. - I guess not for lack distortion though...right?
What do you like the Mir for, and what would you consider a good prize for it?
thank you,
cheers,
Andreas _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
kuuan wrote: |
and on 20mm
I remember that, in another thread, unlike others you, Orio, did recommend the Mir 20mm f3,5. - I guess not for lack distortion though...right?
What do you like the Mir for, and what would you consider a good prize for it?
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it has a terrible distortion. But it gives excellent colour saturation and for this reason very useful for natural landscapes, where geometrical correction is not important. It would be best used for sea landscapes IMHO, because it saturates much the blue, and we know that often sea photos are a letdown because of the haze and sun glare that lower the saturation.
Careful with the flares though. It is very prone to flaring. Shooting against the sun with no protection is not recommended.
A good price for it would be around 70-80 Euros used, however make sure that it is provided with the rear filters, because without them the focus scale would be off. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Some cuestions no "optical" may help to decide you in case of perplexity, what distance from you to the subjet is your favorite to work? How much of the subjet do you always like to show? Any specially part, hands, face, legs? Any kind of light?
This and your lens taste perhaps may help you to decide. Good luck and goods portraits. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Athiril
Joined: 16 May 2008 Posts: 85 Location: Melbourne, Vic, Australia
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Athiril wrote:
While not M42 nor cheap...
The Sigma 12-24mm has almost no distortion at the wide end |
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