View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Nitsan
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 45 Location: England
|
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:45 am Post subject: f1.2 or f1.4 lenses with Helios-style bokeh? |
|
|
Nitsan wrote:
Hi guys.
Any ideas for a super fast 50mm with a more defined bokeh like the Helios?
I don't really care about the swirliness, I'm mainly wanting the harder edges in the bokeh.
Examples: http://bit.ly/1Fo8ODI, http://bit.ly/1uUxb8M, http://bit.ly/1FobaSU, http://bit.ly/1rduNKR, http://bit.ly/11tzwvu and http://bit.ly/1HEQdoK.
The Helios 77 (50mm f1. is the closest I found so far, but i would like f1.4 or faster. Ideally 5D adaptable but I'D consider ones just for the A7s.
I've had the Heios 40-2, but it was too heavy, and I also don't love the bokeh on my OM 55mm f1.2.
Thanks! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4573 Location: right now: Austria
Expire: 2014-12-26
|
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
kuuan wrote:
hm..if fast what comes to my mind possibly Canon LTM 1.2/50 (?):
http://www.antiquecameras.net/canon50mmf12ltm.html
http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=bokeh&w=1117967%40N20&m=pool
the f0.95 maybe even more so: http://www.paulmarbrook.com/sony-a7-canon-50mm-f0-95-dream-lens/
Pen-F Zuiko 1.4/40: http://www.flickr.com/photos/patrickjoust/5150019222
the Pen-F Zuiko 1.8/38 has more crazy, distinct bokeh, but it's only f1.8 and both not 50s.. _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
|
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lightshow wrote:
Olympus pen f 42/1.2
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1326108/2#12678526
The obvious choices:
The Helios 40, which is a clone of the CZJ Biotar 75/1.5, the Helios 44, which is a clone of the CZJ Biotar 58/2.
The Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70 Is also based off the CZJ Biotar 75/1.5, some pics here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/tags/meoptameostigmat7014/
Quote: |
I don't really care about the swirliness, I'm mainly wanting the harder edges in the bokeh. |
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1261347/0
http://forum.mflenses.com/strange-bokeh-lenses-t30915
http://forum.mflenses.com/which-lens-do-you-like-for-the-bokeh-t13339 _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Nitsan
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 45 Location: England
|
Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
Nitsan wrote:
Thanks guys.
I ordered a Helios 77M-4 (50mm f1., although I'm still not sure if it was a good choice.
I'm so damn tempted to get another Helios 40 but the reason I sold it is that I never took it to shoots since it's so damn heavy (and because I already have a samyang 85 in the bag)
I may end up getting the Zeiss 75mm f1.5, but the price is way over my budget, and there's very little info about it online which doesn't make it easier to decide on buying it. I couldn't even find out its exact weight, just that it's around 450-650g. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
|
Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Lightshow wrote:
Biotar 75/1.5: there is 3 versions which is why there is multiple weights.
http://www.pbase.com/image/92519049
http://forum.mflenses.com/biotar-75mm-f1-5-slim-1951-t51413.html
http://spiral-m42.blogspot.ca/2011/05/carl-zeiss-jena-biotar-75mm-f15-m42-2nd.html
Helios 40: 885g
http://www.photozone.de/pentax/149-helios-40-2-85mm-f15-m42-to-pentax-review--test-report _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/
Last edited by Lightshow on Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:47 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Nitsan
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 45 Location: England
|
Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Nitsan wrote:
Awesome, thanks!
Does anyone know what the weight of the Cyclop is?
I found mixed info online. Some say 450g, some say 650g, etc. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
|
Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lightshow wrote:
Nitsan wrote: |
Awesome, thanks!
Does anyone know what the weight of the Cyclop is?
I found mixed info online. Some say 450g, some say 650g, etc. |
Again, there are a few versions of this lens(some can't be mounted to an SLR due to protruding part), plus no aperture blades which reduces it's usefulness to me.
http://forum.mflenses.com/optik-85mm-1-5-m42-cyclop-h3t-1-t44550.html
As to the weight, this thread seems reliable.
https://www.flickr.com/groups/helios_40-2/discuss/72157624040639320/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cyclop-85mm-1-5-f1-5-analog-of-Helios-40-2-and-Zeiss-Biotar-75mm-m42-/281485456068 _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Nitsan
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 45 Location: England
|
Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
Nitsan wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
Again, there are a few versions of this lens(some can't be mounted to an SLR due to protruding part), plus no aperture blades which reduces it's usefulness to me. |
Cool thanks.
I agree about the aperture but I don't want to carry a 1kg lens. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
|
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lightshow wrote:
If you want a light lens that has similar rendering, then my previous post...
Is what you're looking for, again, no iris, just wide open.
The horse shot sold me on it.
http://forum.mflenses.com/meopta-meostigmat-1-4-70-on-ff-and-nex-via-vnex-t55218 _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Nitsan
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 45 Location: England
|
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
Nitsan wrote:
Thanks! Unfortunately it's not really the image I'm looking for. The Helios renders the bokeh a bit differently and has a lot less CA.
I'm wondering if I should just buy the Helios and just deal with the extra weight. :/
Does anyone know which version of the Helios/Cyclop 85mm has the easiest-moving focus ring? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
Expire: 2015-08-09
|
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:27 am Post subject: |
|
|
hinnerker wrote:
Nitsan wrote: |
Thanks! Unfortunately it's not really the image I'm looking for. The Helios renders the bokeh a bit differently and has a lot less CA.
I'm wondering if I should just buy the Helios and just deal with the extra weight. :/
Does anyone know which version of the Helios/Cyclop 85mm has the easiest-moving focus ring? |
Best would be, to read the complete Meostigmat - Thread to get an Idea, what this small lens can do for you.
http://forum.mflenses.com/meopta-meostigmat-1-4-70-on-ff-and-nex-via-vnex-t55218,highlight,%2Bmeopta.html _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
www.digicamclub.de |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Nitsan
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 45 Location: England
|
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
Nitsan wrote:
Thanks, but I don't really like the images coming from this lens.
I'm not saying it's bad, maybe a great lens for some people, but it's not what I'm looking for.
I looked at all the images in that thread. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
Expire: 2021-03-09
|
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
kds315* wrote:
"Hard to please" I guess, as there are not many options left .... lightweight and fast and longer focal length (85mm)
are quite contradictory requirements in terms of designing a lens. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Nitsan
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 45 Location: England
|
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Nitsan wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
"Hard to please" I guess, as there are not many options left .... lightweight and fast and longer focal length (85mm)
are quite contradictory requirements in terms of designing a lens. |
hehe, yes, true.
I just bought a Cyclop on ebay, I hope I will like it more than my old 40-2.
I have the Samyang 85 for when I need a more lightweight one, but I wanted the Helios/Cyclop for the special bokeh it gives.
I anyways consider it more of a "special use" lens, since not all backgrounds look good with it, IMO. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
Expire: 2021-03-09
|
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
kds315* wrote:
Congrats. Mine sits around unused, as I have the Helios 40-2 too, but nowadays
I prefer projection lenses... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|