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Nordentro
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 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:44 am Post subject: The new Russar+ |
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Nordentro wrote:
The Russar is comming back! 
http://microsites.lomography.com/russar-lens/
Data sheet:
http://microsites.lomography.com/russar-lens/images/technical-data-russar.pdf
I am surprised that it can be used on crop cameras as well, this means they must have modified the lens slightly to make it fit?!?
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Let's see how much they want for it.
No Contax/Kiev version. 
It doesn't have a large rear section like a J-12/Biogon so it should fit fine. The postwar Oberkochen Biogon 2.8/35 fits the NEX fine.
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bernhardas
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: The new Russar+ |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
It is for 24x36mm sensors (44mm image circle), so it covers "full format" and crop.
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Tervueren wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Let's see how much they want for it.
No Contax/Kiev version.
It doesn't have a large rear section like a J-12/Biogon so it should fit fine. The postwar Oberkochen Biogon 2.8/35 fits the NEX fine. |
650 USD |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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tromboads wrote:
650usd... ouch..
Surely one would just go buy a ziess 20 f4? |
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
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650usd... ouch..
Surely one would just go buy a ziess 20 f4? |
Indeed, it's overpriced, like all Lomography products.
For 650usd I could probably find an original Contax Zeiss 21mm Biogon.
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Mark wrote:
Interesting for sure, but who will be the buyers? I don't think that digital Leica owners will buy that lens; are there enough NEX users to make this profitable?
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Nordentro
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Let's see how much they want for it.
No Contax/Kiev version.
It doesn't have a large rear section like a J-12/Biogon so it should fit fine. The postwar Oberkochen Biogon 2.8/35 fits the NEX fine. |
The orginal Russar don`t fit my OM-D, rear part is to wide. 
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
| Nordentro wrote: |
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Let's see how much they want for it.
No Contax/Kiev version.
It doesn't have a large rear section like a J-12/Biogon so it should fit fine. The postwar Oberkochen Biogon 2.8/35 fits the NEX fine. |
The orginal Russar don`t fit my OM-D, rear part is to wide. |
I'm pretty sure they (lomography) even don't know about it. They just ordered KMZ to re-make it, then think about the price, and that'ts all they do.
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
| Nordentro wrote: |
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Let's see how much they want for it.
No Contax/Kiev version.
It doesn't have a large rear section like a J-12/Biogon so it should fit fine. The postwar Oberkochen Biogon 2.8/35 fits the NEX fine. |
The orginal Russar don`t fit my OM-D, rear part is to wide. |
Damn, that's a shame. Have you tried it on a NEX? The larger sensor might mean a bit more clearance.
The rear projection certainly looks quite a bit smaller than a J-12:
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Nordentro wrote:
| BurstMox wrote: |
| Nordentro wrote: |
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Let's see how much they want for it.
No Contax/Kiev version.
It doesn't have a large rear section like a J-12/Biogon so it should fit fine. The postwar Oberkochen Biogon 2.8/35 fits the NEX fine. |
The orginal Russar don`t fit my OM-D, rear part is to wide. |
I'm pretty sure they (lomography) even don't know about it. They just ordered KMZ to re-make it, then think about the price, and that'ts all they do. |
Then it will be embarrassing to have this advertised on their pages 
I am pretty sure the old design doesn`t fit NEX either. J-12 is deeper but not much wider.
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kds315* wrote:
Good news, a fantastic lens it is. Doesn't look like they "fixed" the issue Lars had mentioned,
so it will see only limited use.
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philslizzy wrote:
Another ridiculously overpriced non-copy of an old design that multicoloured fools will use for selfies and over photoshopped images.
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Gerald wrote:
It would be utter foolishness to use the Russar+ on a crop sensor camera. A lens like this only makes sense on a full frame camera. However, the Russar+ cannot be used with Nikon and Canon DSLRs. That leaves what? Only Sony A7 and M Leicas. But on the Sony A7 the image quality in the corners is bad (softness plus vignetting), so in the end only a fanatic-by-Russian-lenses owner of a Leica M would be interested in buying a Russar+.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
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| It would be utter foolishness to use the Russar+ on a crop sensor camera. A lens like this only makes sense on a full frame camera. However, the Russar+ cannot be used with Nikon and Canon DSLRs. That leaves what? Only Sony A7 and M Leicas. But on the Sony A7 the image quality in the corners is bad (softness plus vignetting), so in the end only a fanatic-by-Russian-lenses owner of a Leica M would be interested in buying a Russar+. |
Nonsense.
I use the Biogon 2.8/35 on my NEX-3 and it's fantastic.
What if I want a tiny ultrawide? Then the Russar would suit me fine. The other ultrawides I have are many times bigger and heavier - Konica Hexanon 4/21, Tokina 3.5/17, Sigma 3.5-4.5/21-35, Tokina 3.5-4.5/20-35, all are monsters compared to the Russar.
I also have several Feds and Zorkis, the Russar would be fantastic on those. Fed 2 with Russar would make a wonderful pocketable walkaround camera. I love ultrawides but the widest compact camera I have is 28m.
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Nordentro wrote:
It will be a wonderfull lens on m43 and APS-C if they redesign the rear end to fit inside the square above the sensor. The lens is so compact and nice. You want have any problems with color shift and smearing on a crop camera.
I did a test on A7R and it is problematic, but remember that a lot of this is the sensor fault and not the lens. There is no color shift on the A7S.
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Mark wrote:
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Another ridiculously overpriced non-copy of an old design that multicoloured fools will use for selfies and over photoshopped images.
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Haha - "multicoloured fools". They most probably don't have a Leica. Still no idea, who will use these lenses appart from a few mf lens fans. Maybe to shoot on film, but is there any rangefinder in lomography's line?
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Maybe they are gonna restart production of Feds or Zorkis?
I bet they are very pricey if they do however.
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Gerald wrote:
Only a fool would buy a $650 ultra wide lens (for FF) to use on an APS-C or M43 camera. It would be like a restaurant bought a Ferrari to deliver pizzas.
A super wide angle lens requires a huge technical effort to be designed/built. But on a crop sensor camera a 20mm became a pedestrian 32mm or 40mm equivalent lens. Who uses such a lens on a crop format camera is in some way disrespecting the people who worked hard to make that lens a reality.
Who for whatever reason owns an ultra wide angle lens for FF should consider buying a FF camera body to use it as it should be used.
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Gerald wrote:
A suggestion for those who think of using an ultra wide lens for FF on a NEX camera: buy a Sony SEL16F28 E 16mm F2.8 Pancake lens. I believe it costs about $100 or a little more second hand.
Compared to an adapted ultra wide angle lens for FF, you will have a smaller, lighter, faster, wider, better, cheaper lens.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
| Gerald wrote: |
Only a fool would buy a $650 ultra wide lens (for FF) to use on an APS-C or M43 camera. It would be like a restaurant bought a Ferrari to deliver pizzas.
A super wide angle lens requires a huge technical effort to be designed/built. But on a crop sensor camera a 20mm became a pedestrian 32mm or 40mm equivalent lens. Who uses such a lens on a crop format camera is in some way disrespecting the people who worked hard to make that lens a reality.
Who for whatever reason owns an ultra wide angle lens for FF should consider buying a FF camera body to use it as it should be used. |
Don't call people fools, not everyone has the same requirements or tastes.
Maybe you're rich and can afford a FF cam, but most of us can't.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
| Gerald wrote: |
A suggestion for those who think of using an ultra wide lens for FF on a NEX camera: buy a Sony SEL16F28 E 16mm F2.8 Pancake lens. I believe it costs about $100 or a little more second hand.
Compared to an adapted ultra wide angle lens for FF, you will have a smaller, lighter, faster, wider, better, cheaper lens. |
Had it, sold it, it's not very good.
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Nordentro wrote:
Well I would keep mine because I am pretty sure there will be more FF cameras with short register distance to come for a cheaper price and with better sensors during the next years
For now, it is the Teddybear lens
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CuriousOne wrote:
Have no idea why someone should prefer this lens to say, Peleng fisheye lens?
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