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CuriousOne
Joined: 31 Dec 2013 Posts: 669 Location: Home
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:17 pm Post subject: Mass produced lens, longer than 500mm and faster than 2.8? |
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CuriousOne wrote:
Hello.
Considering the lens prices, I doubt I can afford any, but it is quite interesting, whenever such lens were/are manufactured? So far, by research I found only one - Soviet Uran-12 lens, 500mm/F2.5, which is relatively easy to obtain ($800-$1200), since was used in soviet movie theater equipment. It weights around 30kg and is quite huge, but specs aren't that impressive, center resolution is 17lpm or something that low. What about such non-soviet lens?
I know about Sigma 200-500/2.8 and 600/4 minolta, but I'm interested if there was something even longer and faster. _________________ I have nothing to compensate with lens |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Hmm there's an Leica 400 mm f/2.8 APO-Telyt-R, a Nikon and a Canon 400/2.8,... supposed to be all very good but also very pricey for sure.
A few telescopes have dedicated focal reducers to reach speeds around F3 for usage with Astro-CCD sensors, for example you an for Celestron C8, C9, C11, C14 etc. series, giving for example an 600mm F3.3 from C8, 850mm F3.3 from C11 etc., they are very "cheap" (you can get a used one for less than 500€ incl. reducer) and very light compared to their refractor-counterparts.
Though coverage will be small and only useful for µFT if used with the F3.3 focal reducer.
I also had an Celestron "Comet Catcher", 500mm F3.6 - not exactly F2.8 but very light and does cost only ~200 bucks and has APS-C coverage (very sharp center but coma in the corners on APS-C, perfect on µFT and unusable vignetting on FF)
There's also an Sigma 200-500mm F2.8 APO zoom lens, costs around 10k new I think.
http://www.foto-biz.com/sites/default/files/misc/sigma-200-500.jpg
I think the reason why such fast 500mm+ lenses are rare is that they are hard to use due weight, on these tele focal lengths on refractor lenses the weight increases exponentially with every stop of light. For me it wouldn't make sense to use more these focal length with such a speed anyway, for potrait's it's long, for birding and wildlife much too heavy, for astro-work there are better and cheaper solutions. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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CuriousOne
Joined: 31 Dec 2013 Posts: 669 Location: Home
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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CuriousOne wrote:
Night time video/photo wildlife observation is the answer. An 1000mm/F1.2 would be VERY nice _________________ I have nothing to compensate with lens |
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Tedat
Joined: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 800 Location: Berlin/Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
Zeiss Apo Sonnar T* 4/1700mm
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2006/10/1/zeiss1700f4
ok.. not a mass produced lens and no F2.8.. but same speed as the Minolta and longer _________________ Regards
Jan
flickr
Sony A7RM2
Contax T*: Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Distagon 1.4/35, PC-Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50, Planar 1.4/85, Planar 2/100, Planar 2/135, S-Planar 2.8/60, Tessar 2.8/45, Mirotar 8/500, Vario Sonnar 3.4/35-70, Vario Sonnar 4.5-5.6/100-300
Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
Other: Minolta F2.8 [T4.5] 135mm STF, Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90.. and lots of early M42 Yashinon, Rikenon and Mamiya lenses |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
Try a Panasonic FZ200, 25-600mm F2.8 zoom, 1920x1080 60p vídeo. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Would be perfect with metabones focal reducer and Sony A6000 - would lead into an ~1200mm F2.8 on 1.5x APS-C with usable ISO6400
CuriousOne wrote: |
Night time video/photo wildlife observation is the answer. An 1000mm/F1.2 would be VERY nice |
I wonder how heavy such a lens would be, it would have about 85cm front lens diameter _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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CuriousOne
Joined: 31 Dec 2013 Posts: 669 Location: Home
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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CuriousOne wrote:
I can't forgive myself for giving away 60cm mirror from telescope(!) for free I thought "I would never use this, it just takes up space, let's get rid of it". I donated it to a guy, who used it as water heater focuser. Stone hit it later and it break apart. _________________ I have nothing to compensate with lens |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Wray 48 inch f4 aerial recon lens. A giant triplet, about 10 lbs in weight and a foot long, would need tobe mounted on 3 feet of extension tubes to gain infinity. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
Expire: 2011-12-02
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
CuriousOne wrote: |
Night time video/photo wildlife observation is the answer. An 1000mm/F1.2 would be VERY nice |
My experimental 180mm/1.2 lens is still ok for handholding and monopod work, but with a 100/1.2 I have doubts I would use it much
But I still work to achieve a bit a longer / faster lens with more usability. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Wray 48 inch f4 aerial recon lens. A giant triplet, about 10 lbs in weight and a foot long, would need tobe mounted on 3 feet of extension tubes to gain infinity. |
Have you done this ? We need pictures if you have. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
Expire: 2014-01-07
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Wray 48 inch f4 aerial recon lens. A giant triplet, about 10 lbs in weight and a foot long, would need tobe mounted on 3 feet of extension tubes to gain infinity. |
Have you done this ? We need pictures if you have. |
One sold on ebay for a pittance last week, I was mightily tempted.... _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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duckrider
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 437 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:08 am Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
Would be fun to get the lens into focus: depth of field will be some mm in 100 m distance..... |
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
Aint no such thing because you would need a tank as a mount
as earlier posters have pointed out
There is one Sigma lens that already requires carrying mule, 600/4 or something; impressive photo. of the lens, I mean. Zoom/focus electrical...
Maybe with cat telescopes but still the opening too big (the sweet spot for these is astro so they tend to be real estate)
Yes the beloved FZ super bridge models. HOWEVER, they have equivalent xxx mm only (some even xxxx). If you equivalent their aperture too it stops being so impressive. Equivalent aperture is sort of important for things like sharp motif in background blur. Also for sharp motif, with all the diffraction, you see |
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sammo
Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 223 Location: CH and SI
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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sammo wrote:
If you call a telescope a lens there is: Celestron C14 Hyperstar, 350mm diameter f/2 (700mm focal length) |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Check Leitz Epis series. There are monsters like 4.5/800mm. _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Or Hyperstar Schmidt-Camera conversion kit for Celestron C8 or C9... with C8 ist would be ~F410mm F2, C9 would be....
Excellent IQ but hard to handle and 27mm image cicle only (for C8, don't know about others) ^^
300-500€ for used C8 and then 1,5k (new) for a conversion kit. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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