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alaios
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:13 pm Post subject: Artistic lens, Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2 ?? |
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alaios wrote:
Hi I have read first about this lens
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2
in the forum here:
http://www.talkemount.com/showthread.php?t=6232
and it looks to be creating some intresting bokeh. It looks to be selling around 150$ and I was wondering if you know cheaper lenses that they can produce similar results.
I would like to thank you in advance for your reply
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fuzzywuzzy
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1258 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Artistic lens, Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2 ?? |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Hi I have read first about this lens
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2
in the forum here:
http://www.talkemount.com/showthread.php?t=6232
and it looks to be creating some intresting bokeh. It looks to be selling around 150$ and I was wondering if you know cheaper lenses that they can produce similar results.
I would like to thank you in advance for your reply
Regards
A. |
This is your lucky day. The Soviet Helios 44 58/2 is a Biotar copy and is very cheap.
http://forum.mflenses.com/helios-44-xx-pics-add-yours-t29321,start,120.html
http://www.flickr.com/groups/helios44/ _________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
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CZJ Sonnar 135/4, Biotar 58/2, Pancolar 50/2, Tessar 50/2.8, Flek 35/2.8, Flek 25/4
Super Takumar 135/2.5, 135/3.5, 100/4 bellows, 50/1.4, 28/3.5
Helios 58/2, 3M-5A 500/8, Mir 20M
Vivitar Series 1 70-210 - - - - - - - - Nikkor 200/4
Rikenon 28/2.8 - - - - - - - - Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar
PB 50/2.4, 135/2.8
Yashica 50/1.9, 28/2.8, 135/2.8
Hexanon 28/3.5, 50/1.4 |
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
I've also read the yashica ml 50mm 1.9 has some great properties:
http://www.prime35.com/yashica-ml-50mm-f-1-9/
I do like the images and the one of the house probably shows it off best, although when you see what the biotar and Helios are capable of I think its hard to beat............ in that price range.
http://www.talkemount.com/showthread.php?t=6232 |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Thanks a lot.. indeed look rather cheap. How guys do you know all this great stuff?
I wonder if stopped down can be also used for a more serious purposes too.
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A |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1749
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
To me the most salient, most prominent, feature of this CZJ Biotar is the softness of the coatings. |
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tao
Joined: 26 Oct 2011 Posts: 241 Location: Bangkok
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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tao wrote:
alaios wrote: |
I wonder if stopped down can be also used for a more serious purposes too. |
Certainly. Helios is good if you like swirly bokeh. With a good copy you do not need to stop down a lot. |
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tao
Joined: 26 Oct 2011 Posts: 241 Location: Bangkok
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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tao wrote:
guardian wrote: |
To me the most salient, most prominent, feature of this CZJ Biotar is the softness of the coatings. |
So true. All the cheap ones I've seen had fine scratches. I gave up and just used the Helios. Wonder if I miss a lot? |
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simbon4o
Joined: 19 Dec 2011 Posts: 390 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:45 am Post subject: |
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simbon4o wrote:
If you find the first helios 44 aluminium version on M39 mount it is 1:1 Biotar with changed name. 13 blade aperture, coatings everything is biotar. _________________ 10-300мм 4.0 - 1.2 - 4.5 NIKON&Sony bodies / Sony 10-18, Pentax 28 2.8 II, CZJ 35 2.4, Nikkor DX 35 1.8, Samyang 35 1.4, KMZ 50 1.7, FDn 50 1.2 L, Nikkor 55 2.8, Rokkor 58 1.2, Soligor 85 1.8 Preset, Samyang 85 1.4, Canon FDn 85 1.2 L, Tokina AT-X 90 2.5, Canon FDn 135mm 2.0, Nikkor 180 2.8 ED, Tair 300 4.5
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:00 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi
I won an auction with the following two lenses:
Yashica DSB 50mm 1:1.9
Yashica DSB 135mm 1:2,8
how I can find is the yashica mentioned here is the same yashica it was on the review you posted? ( http://www.prime35.com/yashica-ml-50mm-f-1-9/ )
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Hi
I won an auction with the following two lenses:
Yashica DSB 50mm 1:1.9
Yashica DSB 135mm 1:2,8
how I can find is the yashica mentioned here is the same yashica it was on the review you posted? ( http://www.prime35.com/yashica-ml-50mm-f-1-9/ )
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Unfortunately no, you bought the DSB version, you are looking for the ML version. wait and try it and see if you like it.
search "Yashica ML 50/1.9" the lens name ring will say "ML" not "DSB".
Like this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yashica-50mm-f1-9-ML-Lens-for-Yashica-Contax-/161240962533
_________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1389 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:43 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Hi
I won an auction with the following two lenses:
Yashica DSB 50mm 1:1.9
Yashica DSB 135mm 1:2,8
how I can find is the yashica mentioned here is the same yashica it was on the review you posted? ( http://www.prime35.com/yashica-ml-50mm-f-1-9/ )
Regards
A. |
No, I reviewed the ML version, which has improved coating and better flare resistance compared to the DSB version. As you can see in my images, I mostly shot against the sun, so the ML coating worked at its fullest potential. In my experience, there is no difference between ML 50/2 and 50/1.9, but the newer all-plastic 50/1.9 c is a different lens, and much less interesting. _________________ List of lenses |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:48 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Thanks for the answers. I will drop these lenses to the sea then Have not google it that much but did not find anything convincing |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1749
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:41 am Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Thanks for the answers. I will drop these lenses to the sea then Have not google it that much but did not find anything convincing |
I apologize if my earlier remark regarding coatings was too abrupt. I did not mean to contribute to an impression that Biotars are no good.
My opinion is that this Biotar lens is a fine lens except for the soft coatings. I actually own the lens and it takes good photos. But when I view the very, very fine scratches all across the front element I become frustrated. In "modern speak" it make me want to shout:
"What were they thinking!!" |
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drjs
Joined: 25 Feb 2013 Posts: 485 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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drjs wrote:
I second that the brokeh and softness of a fully open Biotar are desirable. There are a number of FSU lenses that uses this design and one can get great results from them without spending a lot of money. In fact, I like the single coated helio 44-2 best since it has that dreamy quality no other modern design seem to duplicate.
For sharpness and smooth of rendering, my personal preference is Sonnar although I find Plannar pleasing in many respects as well. Again, these are personal opinions. _________________ Follow me on 500px |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi,
can you explain why are not desirable a full open Biotar? Do you have any samples to share?
Regards
Alex |
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littleearth
Joined: 21 Dec 2011 Posts: 77 Location: PT
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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littleearth wrote:
Why would any user buy an old Biotar, instead of a much more modern Helios ?
The flare is more interesting, warmer tones ! I much prefer the Helios !
For a Zeiss, I'd rather spend my money on a Pancolar 50 f2 ! Still has some nice swirlies, but sharper in the corners ! |
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Thanks for the answers. I will drop these lenses to the sea then Have not google it that much but did not find anything convincing |
According to a test I read the 135 f2.8 DSB is a super sharp lens better than some famous lenses. You could just have a slight lack of contrast due to coating. |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:15 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi littleearth,
which Helios version are you talking exactly?
Regards
Alex |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Please ignore my last post
I am getting so easily confused with manufactures, abbreviations and lenses versions... so I had to read all from scratch..
Which helios version should I go for?
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Alex |
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cyrano
Joined: 15 Feb 2013 Posts: 855 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:24 am Post subject: |
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cyrano wrote:
There are so many around I don't think it matters, you should be able to find a cheap one or a very cheap one if you're patient.
I won a Zenit and a 44-2 on the auction for £16 posted. _________________ A whole bunch of stuff. |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:56 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi
I just understood by looking on the ebay that I had a zenit with that lens when I was at the school age... What memories... I need to dig out this camera... where the heck it can be?
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:00 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi,
which 44-X should I prefer? |
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vlousada
Joined: 11 Dec 2010 Posts: 345 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:16 am Post subject: |
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vlousada wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Hi,
which 44-X should I prefer? |
Most users here would answer 44-2...
I would prefer 44-3 or 44-3M most. _________________ Regards,
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:16 am Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
Hi alaios,
you are asking many questions about lenses . May I ask you which camera do you use.
For some lenses it makes a difference.
A Helios is a standard lens on FF and teleobjective on a micro4/3. |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:26 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Hi,
which 44-X should I prefer? |
The cheapest in good condition (no scratches, no major dust, no stuck aperture, no stiff focus, no fungus)!
Optical differences between the versions are often smaller than quality spreading.
Some people say the 44-3X series is the best, other say the 44-M7 is the sharpest, and so on.... I had several and yes there are differences but imho they are more or less neglitable. My 44-M7 had sharper edges than 44-2 but softer center, and the 44-2 had a nicer build imho etc.
I had many and finally kept only the 44-2 M42 _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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