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Fandyus
Joined: 12 Apr 2020 Posts: 108 Location: Czechia
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:03 pm Post subject: Budget macro lens with minimal field curvature? |
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Fandyus wrote:
I have been looking to find out if there are any cheapo macro lenses with minimal field curvature. I'm not really looking to buy one right now, just so that I know what to be on the lookout for. I like taking macros of flat planes, textures, perhaps in the future even developed film. Unfortunately, using extension tubes with normal lenses has proved bad for this, as those lenses are not optimized and the corners are usually soft at macro magnifications, even stopped down.
I don't really mind any other optical faults. I really just want a lens that would have little to no field curvature at 1:1 or so, could even be stopped down, f/5.6 or f/8 max, after that I would lose detail to diffraction.
I have a Sony a6000 and a Canon 6D. I'd be fine with a good suggestion for either.
I have considered the 7artisans 60mm F2.8, but I really don't know about any reviewers that test corner sharpness at macro levels. If you know of any or you have any recommendations yourself, please share.
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3216 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
By design any macro lens has a flat field.
Or it's advertised to have one.
Then it's a matter of parallelism between the subject and the lens. _________________ Moderator Himself |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
M42 Asahi Super-Multi-Coated BELLOWS-TAKUMAR 1:4 / 100 (bellows needed to focus)
M42 Asahi Super-Multi-Coated MACRO-TAKUMAR 1:4 / 100 (max. 1:2, or use bellows/extension tube for 1:1 or better)
Th original M42 Macro-Takumar 1:4 / 50 (1:1 without use of bellows or tubes)
(We have seen faster macro lenses have more field curvature, likely due to dual-usage as portrait lenses http://forum.mflenses.com/zuiko-90mm-f-2-macro-vs-tokina-at-x-90mm-f-2-5-macro-t83417.html ) _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Based on recent eBay searches, one of the best deals to be had on one of the best macro lenses ever made, is for the Nikon 55mm f/3.5. I own three of these lenses (all pre-AI), and I'd be willing to part with one of them for $50. They all have varying amounts of wear, but the glass is perfect. But, by all means, check out the eBay listings first.
The Nikon 55/3.5 has a very flat field. I've taken thousands of slide duplicates with mine, and I used it to dupe slides because of its flat field. _________________ Michael
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2928 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
Based on recent eBay searches, one of the best deals to be had on one of the best macro lenses ever made, is for the Nikon 55mm f/3.5. I own three of these lenses (all pre-AI), and I'd be willing to part with one of them for $50. They all have varying amounts of wear, but the glass is perfect. But, by all means, check out the eBay listings first.
The Nikon 55/3.5 has a very flat field. I've taken thousands of slide duplicates with mine, and I used it to dupe slides because of its flat field. |
I have this lens (ai) version. Corners show some softness wide open, but from f/5.6 razor sharp corner to corner. Standard magnification is 1:2. Get a macro ring, or original 1:1 adapter, in order to do 1:1. Excellent and affordable macro. |
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 516
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
Reversed enlarger lens.
<£35
http://extreme-macro.co.uk/reversed-enlarger-lenses/
My Minolta E.Rokkor 75mm f4.5, not reversed, at up to 1:1, for flat document work. On APS-C it's great to the edges.
It was 99p. For what it's worth these were made in the 80s, not all cheap enlarger lenses you can find are as recent though.
EDIT: My camera is an a6000, the same as yours.
The lens diagrams here were done with this lens and my a6000- https://www.flickr.com/gp/194408730@N08/74M61E
Ignore uneven lighting and document flatness issues.
I tried reversed 50mm lenses and even 50mm lenses in tandem, they absolutely suck for flat field even stopped down to f11, only a small center region is OK. This is great wide open at f4.5, I pretty much gain depth of field stopping down.
The options above are great but exponentially more expensive than even the better Schneider enlarger lenses. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
cooltouch wrote: |
Based on recent eBay searches, one of the best deals to be had on one of the best macro lenses ever made, is for the Nikon 55mm f/3.5. I own three of these lenses (all pre-AI), and I'd be willing to part with one of them for $50. They all have varying amounts of wear, but the glass is perfect. But, by all means, check out the eBay listings first.
The Nikon 55/3.5 has a very flat field. I've taken thousands of slide duplicates with mine, and I used it to dupe slides because of its flat field. |
I have this lens (ai) version. Corners show some softness wide open, but from f/5.6 razor sharp corner to corner. Standard magnification is 1:2. Get a macro ring, or original 1:1 adapter, in order to do 1:1. Excellent and affordable macro. |
Yeah, for my slide duplication, I used the lens set to f/8, but I was also using a flash with variable output, to adjust exposure as necessary. I found f/8 to be suitable for corner to corner sharpness with the slides, plus it had enough depth of field to make up for the slight curvature often found with slides themselves. _________________ Michael
My Gear List: http://michaelmcbroom.com/photo/gear.html
My Gallery: http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/index.php/
My Flickr Page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11308754@N08/albums
My Music: https://soundcloud.com/michaelmcbroom/albums
My Blog: http://michaelmcbroom.com/blogistan/ |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
cooltouch wrote: |
Based on recent eBay searches, one of the best deals to be had on one of the best macro lenses ever made, is for the Nikon 55mm f/3.5. I own three of these lenses (all pre-AI), and I'd be willing to part with one of them for $50. They all have varying amounts of wear, but the glass is perfect. But, by all means, check out the eBay listings first.
The Nikon 55/3.5 has a very flat field. I've taken thousands of slide duplicates with mine, and I used it to dupe slides because of its flat field. |
I have this lens (ai) version. Corners show some softness wide open, but from f/5.6 razor sharp corner to corner. Standard magnification is 1:2. Get a macro ring, or original 1:1 adapter, in order to do 1:1. Excellent and affordable macro. |
Yeah, for my slide duplication, I used the lens set to f/8, but I was also using a flash with variable output, to adjust exposure as necessary. I found f/8 to be suitable for corner to corner sharpness with the slides, plus it had enough depth of field to make up for the slight curvature often found with slides themselves. |
Field curvature should be more evident on FF camera. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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alex ph
Joined: 16 Mar 2013 Posts: 1571
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
+1 for enlarger lenses, might be the cheapest option for this use. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Budget macro lens with minimal field curvature? |
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stevemark wrote:
Fandyus wrote: |
I have been looking to find out if there are any cheapo macro lenses with minimal field curvature. ... I really just want a lens that would have little to no field curvature at 1:1 or so, could even be stopped down, f/5.6 or f/8 max, after that I would lose detail to diffraction.
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Here are a few classical "Normal" macro lenses from the 1960s - 1980s:
Tessar type
Konica Hexanon AR 3.5/55mm (a simple[4/3] Tessar type)
Xenotar type
Mamyia Sekor CS or E 3.5/50mm [5/4]
Nikkor 3.5/50mm (like the Canon a [5/4] construction)
Topcor RE 3.5/58mm
Double Gauss / Plasmat hybrid type
Canon FD/nFD 3.5/50mm [6/4]
Double Gauss
Minolta MC / MD 3.5/50mm [a classical [6/4] double gauss)
Xenotar / double Gauss with floating element or double floating element
Olympus 3.5/50mm ([5/4] too, plus floating elements)
Nikkor AiS 2.8/55mm ([6/5] double Gauss plus double floating system)
Extended double Gauss plus double floating system
Minolta AF 2.8/50mm Macro ([7/6])
I would recommend the Minolta AF 2.8/50mm for your purposes:
* full metal construction
* very good performance from infinity to 1:1 (no spacer needed for the 1:2 to 1:1 range)
* double floating system for flat field over the entire range
* very cheap for its performance (sold items starting at 50$ on ebay or even cheaper elswhere)
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Fandyus
Joined: 12 Apr 2020 Posts: 108 Location: Czechia
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Fandyus wrote:
Thank you everyone for the recommendations so far.
I happen to own a Meopta Anaret 30mm f/4.5, my Sony a6000 is currently in transit as I'm having it converted to full spectrum but I'll definitely see about mounting it in reverse. |
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kypfer
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 516 Location: Jersey C.I.
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:27 am Post subject: |
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kypfer wrote:
My Russian LZOS 50mm f/2.8 N-61L/Z (not N-61L/D) works for me and wasn't expensive … when I want something a bit longer the Tamron Adaptall-2 90mm f/2.5 is hard to beat, but they've managed to retain their value over the years! |
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 516
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:40 am Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
Also, for consideration- I was amazed at this-
Stacking two low-cost enlarger lenses (coupling them in a 'tandem' configuration - https://scientificimaging.com/knowledge-base/tandem-lens-macroscope-configuration/)
out-performed a typical 1x macro lens at 1x:
https://www.closeuphotography.com/1x-low-cost-lens-test/2019/1/7/1x-lens-test-high-performance-and-low-cost
It's performing better at a faster effective aperture too, which is the bonus of this configuration.
Yes, only one 1x macro lens tested (Tamron AF 90mm f/2.8 SP Di) but its representative of the old suggestions mentioned here... |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:45 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
+1 on enlarger lenses. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2495
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:36 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Inverted tessar 50mm lens or on tubes (poor man's macro)
This is on a 25mm tube:
You can see the focus plain is pretty straight.
_________________ pentaxian |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2931 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Isn't part of the edge issues in lenses not attributable to field curvature but manufacturing? _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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-rageQuit-
Joined: 26 Dec 2013 Posts: 22
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:30 am Post subject: |
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-rageQuit- wrote:
If cheapness is the primary concern, I'd consider:
the Cosina / Vivitar AF 100mm f/3.5 Macro
(available under other brand-names as well, but I wouldn't know their prevalence in continental Europe (eg. Phoenix?))
UK auction ending price is approx 40GBP.
Comes in EF mount, potentially making control on your Canon camera easier and, depending on the adapter, the Sony also.
Look out for copies that come with the matched 1:1 screw-in adapter - otherwise it does 1:2 on it's own. |
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nrparsons
Joined: 02 Aug 2010 Posts: 28 Location: Central Florida, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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nrparsons wrote:
The Sigma 50mm f/2.8 Macro has good reviews and can be had for around $150. Even better is the Sigma 50mm f/2.8 EX DG, but it is at least $100 more. I have the plain vanilla version. I haven't used it much, so I can't speak to its flat-field capabilities, but it was a budget lens to me. |
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