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Yahvel
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Posts: 243 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:03 am Post subject: MF vs AF |
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Yahvel wrote:
Is it safe to say that i rather stick with MF (Manual Focus) lenses due to the fact that i do not have to worry about certain issues like the error that i typically get on a AF (Auto-Focus) lens when the DSLR Cameras decides to show a pop-up window on my LCD screen notifying me that it cannot communicate with lens because is either dirty or damaged and to be fair i think i can understand this to a certain degree because you all have seen that little golden chip behind the mount of each AF lens ?? well by now you all know that chip is what communicates with the Camera itself and thats why you can Auto-Focus. Many have found work arounds to this problem and in some cases people have used a rubber like those seen on pencils and luckily they have managed to fix the issue but this does not apply to everyone. Sadly i have had this problem already with 4 lenses of mine, My Tokina Zoom Lens, Canon Zoom Lens, Tamron Zoom Lens and last but not least it has also happened on a Sigma Zoom Lens and this is just frustrating.
Am i wrong for saying that i rather have MF lenses than AF lenses ?
Is it ok to say that alot of MF lenses are cheaper than certain AF lenses but yet they are superior than them in quality ?
I will really love to see what is the general opinion of the community on this topic.
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Having a Pentax (K200D) camera I have never seen an error message.I just switch every setting to M F and forget about it....unless I bump the dial and it blinks at me.
No you are not wrong in saying you prefer MF over AF.
I will be interested to see the responses to this question
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Is it ok to say that alot of MF lenses are cheaper than certain AF lenses but yet they are superior than them in quality ? |
I personally don't buy MF lenses because they are superior or for that matter less superior than AF lenses. I buy them for Character,the feel of them in my hands,the look of them...and most of them fit in my budget.
Old lenses on New cameras = the best of both worlds. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:21 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Yes -- safe to say.
No -- personal preference shared by all(?) mflenses members.
Less expensive, yes, but no, not superior yet not much inferior. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Yahvel
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Posts: 243 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Yahvel wrote:
mo wrote: |
Having a Pentax (K200D) camera I have never seen an error message.I just switch every setting to M F and forget about it....unless I bump the dial and it blinks at me.
No you are not wrong in saying you prefer MF over AF.
I will be interested to see the responses to this question
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Is it ok to say that alot of MF lenses are cheaper than certain AF lenses but yet they are superior than them in quality ? |
I personally don't buy MF lenses because they are superior or for that matter less superior than AF lenses. I buy them for Character,the feel of them in my hands,the look of them...and most of them fit in my budget.
Old lenses on New cameras = the best of both worlds. |
Perfect answer, wow you blew my mind away with what you just said. I like it because its a humble yet direct honest answer. +1 |
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Yahvel
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Posts: 243 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Yahvel wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Yes -- safe to say.
No -- personal preference shared by all(?) mflenses members.
Less expensive, yes, but no, not superior yet not much inferior. |
Well said. It seems that at the end of the day its really more about what you like and what makes you feel comfortable. |
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elliott
Joined: 16 May 2011 Posts: 180
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: |
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elliott wrote:
mo wrote: |
Having a Pentax (K200D) camera I have never seen an error message.I just switch every setting to M F and forget about it....unless I bump the dial and it blinks at me. |
Closest thing Pentax has to that error is F--, meaning it doesn't see the A contacts, it leaves it up to the user to know what to do about it instead of spelling it out.
Leaving the K200D in MF all the time keeps you from being able to use the catch in focus feature, which is very handy. Leave the switch on AF, hold down the shutter button and turn the ring, when it sees it is in focus it will take the shot. |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 2877
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:41 am Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Here's my 2 cents.
1) Yes I prefer to have MF lenses because they will last longer and I am not tied down to a particular system.
2) IQ-wise it depends on what you compare to what.
3) Money-wise, it's usually cheaper to get good IQ with MF lenses, UWA being the possible exception. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
#1.
AF only to coverage an event, if really needed. I may use AF less than once a year, but still keep a minimum set.
#2.
Some AF lenses are newer and may not found for MF equivalent, and vice versa.
Example AF: Sigma 4.5 circular FE HSM, Sonnar T* 135mm f/1.8 ZA - MF: pen F, leica, shift and tilt lenses.
MF can be cheaper/bargains/give-away-prices, but not always. Some of MF lenses are better, but not always. MF can be expensive if they produced in small quantity/collector value, they don't have to be 'superior'. Some low light is only made in MF.
#3.
My dslr suffers with AF accuracy, I sent it to guarantee repair 4 mnd before the guarantee ran out, and got complete new electronic replaced. Then I spend the last months to test run the AF. Otherwise, I don't buy more AF than what I already have. Same as many members here, I use MF for characters and their unique properties. I have 1 AF in 50mm, but 10+ in MF. _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
They're two different ways for shooting. Sometimes - for someone - AF is necessary, sometimes it's not only unnecessary, but also annoying.
MF lenses have usually better iq/price ratio, but they can have issue that newer technologies solved easily (first that comes to mind is the coatings), and... They do not focus automatically.
So it's really all down to what one wants to shoot, and how he enjoys better shooting it. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
elliott wrote: |
mo wrote: |
Having a Pentax (K200D) camera I have never seen an error message.I just switch every setting to M F and forget about it....unless I bump the dial and it blinks at me. |
Closest thing Pentax has to that error is F--, meaning it doesn't see the A contacts, it leaves it up to the user to know what to do about it instead of spelling it out.
Leaving the K200D in MF all the time keeps you from being able to use the catch in focus feature, which is very handy. Leave the switch on AF, hold down the shutter button and turn the ring, when it sees it is in focus it will take the shot. |
Thanks for that tip,i will check it out.
I don't tend to explore the cameras finer points, once I have worked out what I need (in terms of settings) I tend to stay there... _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Please don't use {OPINIONS} we every where say our opinions.. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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hoacker
Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany, S�dhessen
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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hoacker wrote:
This error message has nothing to do with AF or MF lenses. There are lots of MF lenses that communicate with the camera (Zeiss ZE, Canon TS-E). Even when you adapt lenses there may be a communication between camera and adapter (if equipped with a chip). _________________ Holger
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D, 7D, 1000Da, M
Manual lenses: Zeiss Distagon 3,5/18 ZE, Nikon PC-Nikkor 28mm 1:3.5, Olympus OM 28 f/2,0, Zeiss Distagon 2/35 ZE, Leitz Summicron-R 1:2/50, Minolta MC ROKKOR 1:1.2 f=58mm (EOS-Mod), LZOS MC Jupiter-9 2/85, Meyer-Optik G�rlitz Trioplan 1:2.8/100 V (Exa), Zeiss Macro Planar 2/100 ZE, Nikon Nikkor-P.C Auto 1:2.5 f=105mm, Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 1:4,5/105, Porst Tele 1:1,8/135mm MC AUTO (M42), Cosina Auto Cosinon 135mm/2.8 (M42), Makinon MC 1:5.6 300mm Reflex, LZOS MTO 1000A 10,5/1100
AF lenses: Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2,8 IS USM, Canon EF-M 22mm 1:2 STM, Canon EF 40 f/2,8 STM, Canon EF-S 60 f/2,8 USM, Canon EF 200 1:2.8L II USM, Canon EF 500 f/4L IS USM, Canon Extender 1,4x III, Sigma 50-150/2,8 EX DC APO HSM II, Sigma 150 f/2,8 HSM, Sigma APO Tele Converter 1.4x EX DG, Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG, Kenko Extension Tubes
For sale (PM me): E.Zuiko Auto-T 1:3,5 f=100mm (Pen F), Zeiss Planar 85 f/1,4 (C/Y)
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2698 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
I have had the error message on my Canon, more often with MF lenses than AF lenses. It happens most often when I use Mirror Lock Up and MF lenses, though not with all MF lenses.
The only time it has happened with AF lenses I had to send them both to be repaired. _________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
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Arctures
Joined: 10 Jul 2009 Posts: 295
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Arctures wrote:
As for me I don't care much about any camera errors. I don't remember when have seen it last time. Anyway my MF lenses for me are more important than my cameras. Cameras are changing, prices are dropping down but the great lenses remains longer by far. _________________ Sony A7, NEX-5n, Panasonic GH5(Oly12-40/2., Contax Distagon T* 28/2.8, Contax Planar T* 50/1.4, Contax T* 80-200/4,
Minolta Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Minolta MC Rokkor-X PF 50/1.7, Minolta MD 50/2.0, Konica Hexanon AR 50/1.8,
Konica Hexanon 57/1.4, Rokkor-PF 55/1.7, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Auto Yashinon 50/2.0, Canon FD 50/3.5
Voigtl�nder APO Lanthar 90/3.5 M42, Topcon RE.Topcor 58/1.8, Helios-44-2 58/2.0, Canon FD 24/2.8,
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hifisapi
Joined: 25 Sep 2012 Posts: 941 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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hifisapi wrote:
I own dozens of MF lenses and zero AF lenses. you figure it out for me. _________________ ===========
ACQUIRED OVER 30 YEARS:
Cameras: DSLR=Pentax istDS FILM=Pentax SP, SP-F, ESII, SP1000, KX, K2
Lenses : Pentax M42 = Super Multi Coated Takumars 50/1.4 55/1.8 100/4-BELLOWS 500/4.5 1000/8 135-600/6.7 Pentax PK= SMC Pentax-Ks K17/4-FF Fisheye K18/3.5 K20/4 K24/3.5 K28/3.5 K28/2 K35/3.5 K35/2 K50/1.2 K50/1.4K 50/4-MACROK 55/1.8 K85/1.8 K100/4-MACRO K100/4-BELLOWS K105/2.8 K120/2.8 K135/3.5 K135/2.5 K150/4 K200/4 K400/5.6 K45-125/4K 85-210/4.5 Pentax PKM = SMC Pentax-M M40/2.8-Pancake M50/1.4 M75-150/4 M80-200/4.5 Pentax PKA= SMC Pentax-A A15/3.5 A50/2.8-MACRO A28/2 A35/2 A50/1.4 A135/2.8 A200/4 A*300/4 A35-105/3.5 A24-50/4 A70-210/4 TAMRON AD2= SP80-200/2.8 SP180/2.5 TOKINA AT-X PK= ATX28-85/3.5-4.5 ATX35-70/2.8 ATX60-120/2.8 ATX80-200/2.8 ATX100-300/4 ATX90/2.5 MACRO KIRON-LESTER DINE PK = 105/2.8-MACRO VIVITAR PK = 135/2.8-MACRO 28-85/4 NOFLEXAR AUTOBELLOWS PK = 60/4 105/4 |
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Misha_M
Joined: 08 Oct 2012 Posts: 178
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: MF vs AF |
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Misha_M wrote:
Yahvel wrote: |
Is it safe to say that i rather stick with MF (Manual Focus) lenses due to the fact that i do not have to worry about certain issues like the error that i typically get on a AF (Auto-Focus) lens when the DSLR Cameras decides to show a pop-up window on my LCD screen notifying me that it cannot communicate with lens because is either dirty or damaged and to be fair i think i can understand this to a certain degree because you all have seen that little golden chip behind the mount of each AF lens ?? well by now you all know that chip is what communicates with the Camera itself and thats why you can Auto-Focus. Many have found work arounds to this problem and in some cases people have used a rubber like those seen on pencils and luckily they have managed to fix the issue but this does not apply to everyone. Sadly i have had this problem already with 4 lenses of mine, My Tokina Zoom Lens, Canon Zoom Lens, Tamron Zoom Lens and last but not least it has also happened on a Sigma Zoom Lens and this is just frustrating.
Am i wrong for saying that i rather have MF lenses than AF lenses ?
Is it ok to say that alot of MF lenses are cheaper than certain AF lenses but yet they are superior than them in quality ?
I will really love to see what is the general opinion of the community on this topic.
THANKS! |
Regarding the error, that happened with one of my Canon lenses before; I cleaned the contacts, and it solved the problem.
Regarding your questions:
1. Yes and No.
I shoot a lot indoors, in dark places, and I also shoot moving subjects; it's much easier to work with AF in such conditions, and with MF lenses focusing is quite difficult in the dark, because you can barely see the split circle, and zone shooting isn't easy as well.
But for all of my daylight shots, and most still subjects shots, I use my favorite MF lenses.
2. In many cases, yes, but in some cases, no; some of the high end AF lenses of today are great, both primes and zooms... but these are mostly super expensive, with costs up to several thousands USD...
I think that cost \ efficiency wise, MF lenses are a better ordeal, in general. _________________ Tair 11 133 f/2.8 1958
Jupiter 9 85 f/2 1959
Helios 44M 58 f/2 1978
Helios 44-2 58 f/2 1977
Helios 44 (13 blades) 1959
Helios 77M4 50 f/1.8
Zenitar-M 50 f/1.7 1986
Industar-61 L\Z 50 f/2.8
Helios 40-2, 85 f/1.5 1974 |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I love the way that everyone here is passionate about manual lenses. For me, it's just a cheap way of getting fairly good lenses and have a bit of fun on the way. I love using my FSU RFs and my Canon T90, but I can't say that I have one lens that is better than my AF L lenses.
I have never once had that error show up on 5 DSLRs and I don't know of anyone that has. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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asterinex
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asterinex wrote:
I almost only shoot MF lenses. The best pictures I made are almost always MF ones.
For me a few reasons for MF lenses :
* Character of images, look and feel
* I focus where I want to focus
* More creatif
* Lenses keep their values.
* Switching from ASPC to M43 to FF, no problem Just buy an adapter.
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
asterinex wrote: |
I almost only shoot MF lenses. The best pictures I made are almost always MF ones.
For me a few reasons for MF lenses :
* Character of images, look and feel
* I focus where I want to focus
* More creatif
* Lenses keep their values.
* Switching from ASPC to M43 to FF, no problem Just buy an adapter.
You are quasi system free |
I agree with some of that...
* Character of images, look and feel
Yes, but that's subjective. I like my modern lenses for the same reasons, but on the whole the older lenses tend to have something special going on, so I can see where you're coming from.
* I focus where I want to focus
I have a much better keep-rate with AF lenses. It may be down to one's system, but I probably nail focus better than 99% of the time with AF
* More creatif
Really? How? Not a criticism, as you may well be more creative, but it doesn't change how I compose an image. Perhaps I'm missing something.
* Lenses keep their values.
True, they may even gain value.
* Switching from ASPC to M43 to FF, no problem Just buy an adapter.
You are quasi system free
( I assume you mean M42) Yes, to a point you can switch without having to replace every lens, but there are functional problems. I run M42 & FD mounts in 35mm systems; yes I can use an M42 lens on my Canon FD, but some functions are lost. I cannot use FD lenses on M42 cameras at all. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Victor Nguyen
Joined: 02 Aug 2012 Posts: 241
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
most of you guys are photographer here... However, I think it's us video guys that revive manual lenses. Here are some reason why video guys like manual lenses
1. Usually cheaper than most autofocus lenses with comparable quality. Main reason why we buy vintage lenses.
2. Manual aperture means being able to adapt to other cameras. Really important in the long run to save cost so you don't have to sell your whole lens collection.
3. Long focus throw helps with getting critical focus. Most photography lenses focus throw is really short.
4. Made out of metal so feel much better than some photography lenses. _________________ Nikkor 24mm f2.8 ai, Rokinon/Samyang 35mm f 1.4, Nikkor 55 f2.8 micro ais, Rokinon/Samyang 85mm f 1.4, Pentacon 135 "bokeh monster" f 2.8, Contax Zeiss 180 f 2.8 |
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wuxiekeji
Joined: 15 Aug 2012 Posts: 213
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wuxiekeji wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
asterinex wrote: |
* I focus where I want to focus |
I have a much better keep-rate with AF lenses. It may be down to one's system, but I probably nail focus better than 99% of the time with AF |
I guess to each is own. I have a much better keep-rate with MF lenses because the AF never focuses where I want it to focus. But that's because almost everything I shoot has various creative unorthodox compositions that the AF isn't going to help much with. I can also focus a razor-thin DOF f/1.4 lens better than my AF can, but I guess it took a lot of practice before I got there. When shooting portraits I'm very careful about what I focus on (eyeglasses, eyebrows, necktie, ears ...) to create the illusion of an even sharper image whereas the AF is just going to focus any random place on the face and that's worthless. MF is also great for street shots because you can pre-focus to where the action is going to be, and just shoot. _________________ Canon EOS 6D | Canon EOS 60D | Canon EOS-M | Voigtlander Nokton 1.4/35 | Zeiss Distagon C-Y 4/18 | Zeiss Distagon ZF 2/28 | Samyang 1.4/35 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/50 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/85 | Zeiss Makro-Planar C-Y 2.8/100 | Zeiss Sonnar C-Y 2.8/135 | Nikkor ED Ai-S 2.8/180 | Canon FD SSC Fluorite 2.8/300 | Tair-3S 4.5/300 |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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martinsmith99 wrote:
wuxiekeji wrote: |
martinsmith99 wrote: |
asterinex wrote: |
* I focus where I want to focus |
I have a much better keep-rate with AF lenses. It may be down to one's system, but I probably nail focus better than 99% of the time with AF
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I guess to each is own. I have a much better keep-rate with MF lenses because the AF never focuses where I want it to focus. But that's because almost everything I shoot has various creative unorthodox compositions that the AF isn't going to help much with. I can also focus a razor-thin DOF f/1.4 lens better than my AF can, but I guess it took a lot of practice before I got there. When shooting portraits I'm very careful about what I focus on (eyeglasses, eyebrows, necktie, ears ...) to create the illusion of an even sharper image whereas the AF is just going to focus any random place on the face and that's worthless. MF is also great for street shots because you can pre-focus to where the action is going to be, and just shoot. |
Like you say `to each his (or her) own, but I'd be interested to know how you focus. Are you using live view when shooting with shallow DOF? If not, what camera and focus aids do you have?
I use a 5D mkii and have used the Canon 135/2 and I'm happy with results wide open on portraits. I know I could not be as happy if I tried to focus this lens manually. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Yahvel
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Posts: 243 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Yahvel wrote:
wuxiekeji wrote: |
I guess to each is own. I have a much better keep-rate with MF lenses because the AF never focuses where I want it to focus. But that's because almost everything I shoot has various creative unorthodox compositions that the AF isn't going to help much with. I can also focus a razor-thin DOF f/1.4 lens better than my AF can, but I guess it took a lot of practice before I got there. When shooting portraits I'm very careful about what I focus on (eyeglasses, eyebrows, necktie, ears ...) to create the illusion of an even sharper image whereas the AF is just going to focus any random place on the face and that's worthless. MF is also great for street shots because you can pre-focus to where the action is going to be, and just shoot. |
You couldn't have explain it better.
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wuxiekeji
Joined: 15 Aug 2012 Posts: 213
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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wuxiekeji wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
Like you say `to each his (or her) own, but I'd be interested to know how you focus. Are you using live view when shooting with shallow DOF? If not, what camera and focus aids do you have?
I use a 5D mkii and have used the Canon 135/2 and I'm happy with results wide open on portraits. I know I could not be as happy if I tried to focus this lens manually. |
I use a 60D modded with the KatzEye split-screen prism, which helps a lot. I used to use film so I'm pretty fluent with this method. However LiveView is a bit more accurate, especially in dark conditions and with lenses that have focus shift (in which case I can focus stopped down using the screen), so I often do use LiveView as well. I have the Magic Lantern installed which can zoom a selected part of the screen, it helps a bit for the focusing.
Since you mention the Canon 135/2 -- I don't doubt that it is an optically fantastic lens, but I should say though that the tactile feel of a lens makes a HUGE difference in my ability to do manual focus efficiently. I've never seen a Canon lens, even all my friends' L lenses, have even a half-decent tactile feel, mostly because there's a layer of autofocusing mechanics between the ring and the actual lens. With true MF lenses, your hand is directly linked to the helicoid, there's almost dead zero backlash, and if you're using any of the better-constructed MF lenses (Contax Zeiss, Takumars, etc.) it's a pleasure to handle -- the construction screams "quality" and the focus rings usually have a long throw and buttery smooth quality. All-metal casing ensures they never go out of alignment, crack, or break unless you do something stupid. Basically you feel like you're operating a high-end, precisely calibrated, reliable scientific instrument. That hand feel actually makes a huge difference in focus accuracy at least for me.
And then ... there are the less-better-constructed MF lenses (Helios, Tair, some CZJ lenses, etc.) -- their construction is actually *still* not too bad, still better than any plastic Canon non-L -- the things going for them are (1) they are frighteningly cheap if you shop around well, so if you're an amateur on a budget this means you can still rack up a respectable collection of lenses without spending much (2) some specific lenses are optically sub-par in specific ways that give you interesting, artistically valuable qualities (3) they're easy to take apart, learn about, and fiddle with (4) cheap also means peace of mind, you're less worried about wrecking them with moisture or rain or something, and this means you boldly go out and shoot in rain or shine. Remember the best camera is the one that you have with you _________________ Canon EOS 6D | Canon EOS 60D | Canon EOS-M | Voigtlander Nokton 1.4/35 | Zeiss Distagon C-Y 4/18 | Zeiss Distagon ZF 2/28 | Samyang 1.4/35 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/50 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/85 | Zeiss Makro-Planar C-Y 2.8/100 | Zeiss Sonnar C-Y 2.8/135 | Nikkor ED Ai-S 2.8/180 | Canon FD SSC Fluorite 2.8/300 | Tair-3S 4.5/300 |
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hifisapi
Joined: 25 Sep 2012 Posts: 941 Location: USA
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hifisapi wrote:
I would like to say that I own dozens of mf lenses and zero af lenses. nuff said. _________________ ===========
ACQUIRED OVER 30 YEARS:
Cameras: DSLR=Pentax istDS FILM=Pentax SP, SP-F, ESII, SP1000, KX, K2
Lenses : Pentax M42 = Super Multi Coated Takumars 50/1.4 55/1.8 100/4-BELLOWS 500/4.5 1000/8 135-600/6.7 Pentax PK= SMC Pentax-Ks K17/4-FF Fisheye K18/3.5 K20/4 K24/3.5 K28/3.5 K28/2 K35/3.5 K35/2 K50/1.2 K50/1.4K 50/4-MACROK 55/1.8 K85/1.8 K100/4-MACRO K100/4-BELLOWS K105/2.8 K120/2.8 K135/3.5 K135/2.5 K150/4 K200/4 K400/5.6 K45-125/4K 85-210/4.5 Pentax PKM = SMC Pentax-M M40/2.8-Pancake M50/1.4 M75-150/4 M80-200/4.5 Pentax PKA= SMC Pentax-A A15/3.5 A50/2.8-MACRO A28/2 A35/2 A50/1.4 A135/2.8 A200/4 A*300/4 A35-105/3.5 A24-50/4 A70-210/4 TAMRON AD2= SP80-200/2.8 SP180/2.5 TOKINA AT-X PK= ATX28-85/3.5-4.5 ATX35-70/2.8 ATX60-120/2.8 ATX80-200/2.8 ATX100-300/4 ATX90/2.5 MACRO KIRON-LESTER DINE PK = 105/2.8-MACRO VIVITAR PK = 135/2.8-MACRO 28-85/4 NOFLEXAR AUTOBELLOWS PK = 60/4 105/4 |
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