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lucialfa
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 Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:21 pm Post subject: Praktica B mount: difference between Zeiss or not Zeiss? |
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lucialfa wrote:
Hi folks, I need to know if there are substancial differences between Zeiss and non Zeiss lens in PB mount,
perhaps depends only on name CZJ printed on the lens?
Who knows this?
Thanks in advance to all.
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Minolta E mount: 16; 18-55
Minolta MC lens: Rokkor PF 58 f1.4
Praktica B mount: Meyer 28 f2.8;Prakticar 50 f1.8;Prakticar 135 f2.8;CZJ 135 f2.8
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Pentacon 50 f1.8;Rollei HFT 50 f1.8;CZJ Tessar 50 f2.8;SMC MacroTak 50 f4;Helios 44-M7 MC;Jupiter9 (black);Meyer Orestor 100 f2.8;2x CZJ 135 f3.5MC;
Jupiter 11A(black);Jupiter MC37A;Tair 11A;SMC Tak 135 f3.5;SMC Tak 135 f2.5 II;Jupiter 21M;Meyer Orestegor 200 f4;Meyer Orestegor 300 f4;kenlock 500 f8(modified)
M39 lens: Jupiter12;Jupiter3;Industar69;Industar22;Leitz Elmar 9cm f4;Jupiter9 alu;Jupiter11
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Carl Zeiss Jena P lenses are Pentacon lenses, Carl Zeiss Jena Prakticar lenses are original CZJ designed lenses.
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lucialfa
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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lucialfa wrote:
Thanks ManualFocus-G
I have one marked: Carl Zeiss Jena P 1:2.8 135 MC
I assume is only a Pentacon due to the "P" mark(I was hoping it was an original CZJ)
The other one of mine is only marked: Prakticar 2.8/135 Pentacon
So there is another CZJ without "P", that is in the original optical scheme lens?
Thanks for the advice
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Cameras: Praktica BX20;Fed 5B;Olympus XA2;Lubitel66;Mamiya C33;Minolta Maxxum 8000i;Panasonic LX2;Sony Alpha700;Sony Nex5
Minolta/Sony Af lens: Sigma24 f2.8 superwide II;50 f1.7rs;100 f2;CZ16-80 carletto(little Karl);35-70 f4 macro
35-105rs;80-200 f2.8 apo(black);Access Tempo 75-200 f2.8/3.5;
Minolta E mount: 16; 18-55
Minolta MC lens: Rokkor PF 58 f1.4
Praktica B mount: Meyer 28 f2.8;Prakticar 50 f1.8;Prakticar 135 f2.8;CZJ 135 f2.8
M42 mount lens: Mir MC20M;Cosina 20 f3.8;CZJ Flek20 f2.8;Exakta 24 f2.8;S Tak24 f3.5;SMC Tak28 f3.5;S Tak35 f3.5;CZJ Flek35 f2.8;CZJ Flek35 f2.4;Ennalyt 35 f3.5;Mir 1B 37 f2.8;
Pentacon 50 f1.8;Rollei HFT 50 f1.8;CZJ Tessar 50 f2.8;SMC MacroTak 50 f4;Helios 44-M7 MC;Jupiter9 (black);Meyer Orestor 100 f2.8;2x CZJ 135 f3.5MC;
Jupiter 11A(black);Jupiter MC37A;Tair 11A;SMC Tak 135 f3.5;SMC Tak 135 f2.5 II;Jupiter 21M;Meyer Orestegor 200 f4;Meyer Orestegor 300 f4;kenlock 500 f8(modified)
M39 lens: Jupiter12;Jupiter3;Industar69;Industar22;Leitz Elmar 9cm f4;Jupiter9 alu;Jupiter11
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
The Pentacon 135/2.8 was labelled as both Pentacon and Carl Zeiss Jena P = same lens. The 135/3.5 Carl Zeiss Jena Prakticar is the real Carl Zeiss Sonnar lens.
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Attila
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Never mind which one is Jena or Pentacon all primes are great lenses! Zooms all come from Japan except Vario-Pancolar which is made in Jena. Zooms quality can be vary, usually acceptable even cheapest ones.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Beware of later Prakticar primes, they are made in Japan, either by Sigma or Cosina.
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Beware of later Prakticar primes, they are made in Japan, either by Sigma or Cosina. |
These lenses have neither Pentacon or Carl Zeiss Jena written on them.
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Beware of later Prakticar primes, they are made in Japan, either by Sigma or Cosina. |
28mm is OK. What about 2.8/135mm? Any other primes sold as Prakticars?
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Attila
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Beware of later Prakticar primes, they are made in Japan, either by Sigma or Cosina. |
These lenses have neither Pentacon or Carl Zeiss Jena written on them. |
+1 these lenses labeled to Prakticar only I had 24mm about Tamron 24mm quality, pretty crap.
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:18 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Some do have Pentacon written on them. I have a 1.8/50 that says Pentacon on it but also says made in Japan.
The Sigma 2.8/28 is also seen labelled Pentacon Prakticar. I have a Sigma 2.8/135 in PB mount too, that one is labelled Pentacon too. I also have a 35-70 and 70-210 labelled Pentacon Prakticar that were made by Sigma. These Sigmas are pretty crap and to be avoided.
Here are my Pentacon 1.8/50s, left hand one is Meyer Oreston 1.8/50, middle two are Pentacon 1.8/50s, one on right is the made in Japan one.
Sigma made 2.8/135, worst 135 I own by a fair margin:
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Minolfan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| Carl Zeiss Jena Prakticar lenses are original CZJ designed lenses. |
Or "aus Jena"
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Here are my Pentacon 1.8/50s, left hand one is Meyer Oreston 1.8/50, middle two are Pentacon 1.8/50s, one on right is the made in Japan one. |
I think the last one it is not made in Japan; it is the third version of the 50mm 1.8 Pentacon, somewhat cheaper made (plastic and MFD increased from 33cm to 45cm Oreston/Pentacon, made in GDR.
May be Koji, our expert in Prakticars here, can give more info? http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/image/57723091 |
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Ian, as already stated, the Pentacon Prakticar thing doesn't hold true for zooms. I've never seen an M42 lens with both Pentacon AND Prakticar written on it btw.
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| I've never seen an M42 lens with both Pentacon AND Prakticar written on it btw. |
Doh! That didn't take long! 
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