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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:57 am Post subject: what would you. recommend? Pancolar,Planar,takumar or other. |
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Zeeke wrote:
Hello I want to buy a 50mm lens and want it to be sharp and contrasted around f2.2,I have owned a couple
off both the Pancolar and the Planar 50mm f1,7.One owe the Planars was great with outstanding clarity,and the
first and and most beaten upp Pancoler I had was great and probably the sharpest lens I ever owned,the two
mint samples I tried later was mediocre and not much better then the Pentacon,
What would you recommend around 50-55mm on a Canon aps-c that's really sharp att f2,2 ,nice blur is welcome too,
I will buy on ebay so the Pancolar and Planar ar a bit pricey this days but maybe worth It,or do you have some other
favorite to recommend. _________________ Pentax Ks1
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
I'm sure you'll get a lot of different answers since so many 50mm lenses are good.
I just compared seven of my 50mm-55mm lenses for bokeh quality in this thread: http://forum.mflenses.com/seven-different-lenses-compared-at-f-2-8-t68546.html#1412092
And found there is not really too much difference between them at f2.8
Wide open the best performer corner to corner is the Xenon 1.9/50, followed by the Yashinon 2/50. The surprise performer was the Petri 1.8/55 which was perfectly sharp in the center WO, but unfortunately rather soft in the corners until stopped down.
I've also used a (exakta) Pancolar 2/50 and find it to be a brilliant lens, but I don't use it for digital since it won't mount on my DSLR. |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
You can't go wrong with any 1.x 50mm from major brands: it's just a matter of taste and of how much value you give to that little extra sharpness or that particular bokeh or whatever.
Of all the ones I've had, the 1.7 planar was probably the sharpest, the rokkor 1.4 PG my favorite for color-character, the tak 1.8/55 best bang for buck. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I'm currently in love with my Mamiya Sekor 55 1.8, before that it was a Minolta Rokkor 50 1.4. But, as has been said, most of the major 50mm brands are very good, and the three you've mentioned are certainly up there with the best. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Very cheap and very sharp -Ricoh 50/2
There are some variants but they are basically the same.
Beats a lot of name brands wide open.
Beats the Pentax M and other 50/2, and the Takumar 50/1.8
Yes, the plastic body one from the 1980s.
Bokeh is a bit harsh maybe.
Prices are so low you may be able to get one free. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
I saw a Ricoh 50mmf2 on a Pentax camera in a charity shop yesterday.they asked 35€ for it,....they had one Ricoh 50mm f1,7 to,
Do anyone know how the wide open sharpness is on Yashica ML 50mm f1.9 or ML 50mm f2. I like the idea of Helios likes swirls. |
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littleearth
Joined: 21 Dec 2011 Posts: 77 Location: PT
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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littleearth wrote:
Wide open my Yashica ML 50mm f2 is softer in the center when compared to the Helios 44-2, but sharper in the corners.
Colors on the ML are much richer and more contrasty. Now I want to try the f1.9 to see if center sharpness is improved wide open.
Stopped down they are both tak sharp. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
The Yashica ML 50 1.7 is another of my favourite lenses, usually very cheap as well. It's a great lens for the money they sell for. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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littleearth
Joined: 21 Dec 2011 Posts: 77 Location: PT
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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littleearth wrote:
I tried the ML 1.7, like the 1.4 is much better built, very sharp but no swirlies.
I would rather save and buy the Planar. |
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
I have two 50 1.4 which are sharp enough at f2. Rokkor MC 50 PG and SMC Pentax M 50 1.4. The Pentax has not the yellowish colour of the Tak. Those lenses are well built and therefore are consistent.
I have different samples of Super takumar 55mm 1.8/2 . I like this lens but it is sharp from f2.8. F2 is a bit soft.
Be aware of sample variations with old lenses when listening to opinions. Especially standard lenses suffered of being mounted often. |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Very cheap and very sharp -Ricoh 50/2
There are some variants but they are basically the same.
Beats a lot of name brands wide open.
Beats the Pentax M and other 50/2, and the Takumar 50/1.8
Yes, the plastic body one from the 1980s.
Bokeh is a bit harsh maybe.
Prices are so low you may be able to get one free. |
+1 on that - comes in PK mount only I think, but fabulously sharp and ridiculously cheap
Also the Rikenon 1.7/50 in M42 mount - exceptional lens
OH |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I adore the Planar 50 1.8, but they aren't cheap, maybe the Singapore version is cheaper. If we're looking for mid range fastish - 50ish lenses, don't forget the lovely Olympus Zuiko 1.4, it's a great lens. Chinon 50 1.7 ? how cheap and good are they? _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
Thanks for your recommendations and opinions.
Maybe I'll try a Ricoh lens or go with the Pentax A or M 50mm f1.4.
I like the Zeiss lenses but somehow it's fun
to play with cheap lenses that's punch over ther price.
I am glad you're understand my writing because I'm usually only read English |
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moltogordo
Joined: 16 Mar 2014 Posts: 48 Location: Prince George, British Columbia
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:06 am Post subject: |
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moltogordo wrote:
Check into the Pentax-M f1.4. I bought one a year ago, and it's my mainstay for covering events with a DSLR. I find it incredibly sharp, starting at about f2.0. It's even acceptable at f1.4 It's so far my sharpest normal lens, with my Olympus 50mm f1.8 Zuiko a close second. Pretty hard to get a bad 50, because camera companies just couldn't put them out and live. But the Pentax-M f1.4 is exceptional.
The following shot was taken at my niece's art show at the Two Rivers Art Gallery in Prince George. She is shown with her husband Dave, against one of her canvases.
Taken with a Pentax K10, 1/20th sec at f2.0. If you want to stick with a Canon lens, why not the el-cheapo 50mm f1.8 Autofocus? I have one. About 70 bucks and tack sharp.
_________________ If you prefer "I think, therefore I am" to "non sum qualis eram", you are putting Descartes before Horace. |
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RAART
Joined: 10 Oct 2012 Posts: 499 Location: Oakville, ON, Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
I set my heart on Takumars, OM Olympus and Mamiya M42 lenses... Do not need anything sharper. Also my Pentax-A 50mm 1.7 is very sharp and has amazing color rendering. Mamiya is excellent with rendering of red colors, love it!
Also the OM Olympus line is excellent but I do not use them as there is just one adapter that fits my camera and it is Leitax. Have to wait until someone from China copy the design as they did with Leitax version for Nikon. But as you have mention that you have Canon you can use them and the adapter is very small. This is the best from Canon, the flange focal distance. Neither of those lenses will give you the swirly thing that Helios has but the bokeh is good on all of them.
Personally my best 50mm lens is the Canon FDn 50mm 1.4 It has everything I need but again the conversion is very difficult and expensive and I do not use it anymore.
I forget my collection of Konica lenses and those where my favorites of all time when I used m4/3 camera.
IMHO those can stand against any other lenses on the market... Zeiss, Leica, etc... and they are not expensive. Look for 50mm 1.7
Too bad you can not used them on Canon, just m4/3 or any other mirrorless body (Sony, Fuji).
Just my 2c. _________________
Camera: Pentax K3
FOR SALE:
Do you have Pentax-A or F or FA primes and like to trade?
Here is the list what I have to trade/sale:
Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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RAART
Joined: 10 Oct 2012 Posts: 499 Location: Oakville, ON, Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
Zeeke wrote: |
Thanks for your recommendations and opinions.
Maybe I'll try a Ricoh lens or go with the Pentax A or M 50mm f1.4.
I like the Zeiss lenses but somehow it's fun
to play with cheap lenses that's punch over ther price.
I am glad you're understand my writing because I'm usually only read English |
There is one, your fellow countryman, that does fantastic job with lens conversions... You might talk to him as he has great experience with MF lenses. See examples at his webpage:
http://martinrodensjo.smugmug.com/Lenses/Canon-FD-50mm-F14/ _________________
Camera: Pentax K3
FOR SALE:
Do you have Pentax-A or F or FA primes and like to trade?
Here is the list what I have to trade/sale:
Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: what would you. recommend? Pancolar,Planar,takumar or ot |
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Rick1779 wrote:
Zeeke wrote: |
Hello I want to buy a 50mm lens and want it to be sharp and contrasted around f2.2,I have owned a couple
off both the Pancolar and the Planar 50mm f1,7.One owe the Planars was great with outstanding clarity,and the
first and and most beaten upp Pancoler I had was great and probably the sharpest lens I ever owned,the two
mint samples I tried later was mediocre and not much better then the Pentacon,
What would you recommend around 50-55mm on a Canon aps-c that's really sharp att f2,2 ,nice blur is welcome too,
I will buy on ebay so the Pancolar and Planar ar a bit pricey this days but maybe worth It,or do you have some other
favorite to recommend. |
MC Zenitar M2s
Or Minolta MD 50/1.7 _________________ TELLTALE
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
Yes I have forgotten the M2s I owned that one a couple years a go.....
Looks and feels like a toy but sharp as a knife |
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
It's cheap plastic indeed _________________ TELLTALE
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Tedat
Joined: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 800 Location: Berlin/Germany
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Also the Rikenon 1.7/50 in M42 mount - exceptional lens
OH |
+1 _________________ Regards
Jan
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Contax T*: Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Distagon 1.4/35, PC-Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50, Planar 1.4/85, Planar 2/100, Planar 2/135, S-Planar 2.8/60, Tessar 2.8/45, Mirotar 8/500, Vario Sonnar 3.4/35-70, Vario Sonnar 4.5-5.6/100-300
Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
Other: Minolta F2.8 [T4.5] 135mm STF, Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90.. and lots of early M42 Yashinon, Rikenon and Mamiya lenses |
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
Now I am waiting for some new lenses to play with. I bought a new in box Yashica ML 50mm f1.9 a Ricoh P 50mm f2 and a Hoya 28mm.
I have already gotten the Hoya and it looks to be sharp strait from 2.8 but flares like hell....... need a hood....
I will post some pictures and options when I have tried them out. |
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
Could not stop....bought some more 50mm lenses. Looking for THE lens.....
PANCOLAR MC 50MM F1.8
PENTAX M 50MM F1.4
SMC TAKUMAR 55MM F2
YASHICA ML 50MM F1.9
RICOH P 50MM F2
And waiting for a CHINON MC 50MM F1.7
All very god lenses and some off them I have owned and sold before
but wanted to try again. This is the 4 Pancolar I am trying and I still can't see anything special about that lens, it's god but so are many other lenses.
The Pentax lenses have a very nice feling and smooth focusing Optical wery god maybe boring god......
My favorite so far is the Yashica ML it's contrasty wide open with sometimes funny bokeh,as sharp as Pancolar and Ricoh.
This is my opinion but I am only photographing for fun and is not to serious
about it.......
I will return with some pictures when time is on my side.... |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
Zeeke wrote: |
Thanks for your recommendations and opinions.
Maybe I'll try a Ricoh lens or go with the Pentax A or M 50mm f1.4.
I like the Zeiss lenses but somehow it's fun
to play with cheap lenses that's punch over ther price.
I am glad you're understand my writing because I'm usually only read English |
The SMC Pentax "K" 50/1.4 is one of the sharpest lenses I have, there is no letter where the "M" is in your SMC Pentax M 50/1.4. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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Mir
Joined: 07 Feb 2011 Posts: 978 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Mir wrote:
RE, AUTO TOPCOR 1,8/58
I know, i know it's 58mm but ... _________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
"There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness"
MISC: Tamron SP 35-80 (01A), Auto Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90, Tamron SP 5,6/300 (54B)
ZEISS: WG Distagon 2.8/25, WG Distagon 2.8/35 HFT, WG Planar HFT 1.4/50, Ultron 1.8/50, WG Sonnar 2.8/85, WG Sonnar HFT 2.8/135
VOIGTLÄNDER : Ultron Aspherical 1.8/21, Ultron 2/28, Nokton Aspherical 1.2/35, Nokton Classic 1.4/40, Nokton Aspherical 1.5/50, Color-Heliar 2.5/75
MINOLTA: MD 3.5/35-70 Macro, MD 1.2/50, MC Rokkor-X 1.2/58, MD Macro 3.5/50
LEITZ: SUMMICRON-R 2/35 (II), SUMMICRON-R 2/50 (II), TELE ELMARIT-M 2,8/90 (Thin)
CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : CHIYODA KOGAKU SUPER ROKKOR 1.8/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, FUJI FILM CO. FUJINON L 2/5cm, KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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