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FlyPenFly
Joined: 09 Jun 2011 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:54 am Post subject: Touching up a beaten up zeiss lens |
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FlyPenFly wrote:
I'm looking to purchase a Zeiss lens but it looks cosmetically its a bit scratched up. This is one of the newer ones.
Could glossy model paint fix up some of the wear? |
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berraneck
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 972 Location: prague, czech republic
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:35 am Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
Paint wear on barell doesn´t affect functionality - so why make it even worse by painting it? You´ll never match the same look of paint, unless you paint the whole barell. And that would look even worse than painting just the places with scratches. My advice is to leave it as it is. If you really want to paint it, I don´t think simple glossy paint will do the job - try mixing glossy and matte paint. _________________ equipment doesn´t count, good photographs do |
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1694 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
maybe try color sticks for fixing scratches on car paint? _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
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hoacker
Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany, S�dhessen
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up a beaten up zeiss lens |
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hoacker wrote:
FlyPenFly wrote: |
Could glossy model paint fix up some of the wear? |
Why? Seriously. I mean, the paint doesn't affect the IQ. My Planar 1.4/50 looks terrible. I have spent a thought on repainting it but on a second thought I realized that I only wanted it to look good for those who see the lens on my camera. No, that's not worth it, I left it as it was... _________________ Holger
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D, 7D, 1000Da, M
Manual lenses: Zeiss Distagon 3,5/18 ZE, Nikon PC-Nikkor 28mm 1:3.5, Olympus OM 28 f/2,0, Zeiss Distagon 2/35 ZE, Leitz Summicron-R 1:2/50, Minolta MC ROKKOR 1:1.2 f=58mm (EOS-Mod), LZOS MC Jupiter-9 2/85, Meyer-Optik G�rlitz Trioplan 1:2.8/100 V (Exa), Zeiss Macro Planar 2/100 ZE, Nikon Nikkor-P.C Auto 1:2.5 f=105mm, Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 1:4,5/105, Porst Tele 1:1,8/135mm MC AUTO (M42), Cosina Auto Cosinon 135mm/2.8 (M42), Makinon MC 1:5.6 300mm Reflex, LZOS MTO 1000A 10,5/1100
AF lenses: Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2,8 IS USM, Canon EF-M 22mm 1:2 STM, Canon EF 40 f/2,8 STM, Canon EF-S 60 f/2,8 USM, Canon EF 200 1:2.8L II USM, Canon EF 500 f/4L IS USM, Canon Extender 1,4x III, Sigma 50-150/2,8 EX DC APO HSM II, Sigma 150 f/2,8 HSM, Sigma APO Tele Converter 1.4x EX DG, Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG, Kenko Extension Tubes
For sale (PM me): E.Zuiko Auto-T 1:3,5 f=100mm (Pen F), Zeiss Planar 85 f/1,4 (C/Y)
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57851 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I am pretty sure you can't make it to better looking, waste time and I expect worst result than genuine stage. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Attila wrote: |
I am pretty sure you can't make it to better looking, waste time and I expect worst result than genuine stage. |
+1
I actually really like the beatuen up look of some of my lenses, I have a Juipter-11A that looks like it has been through a war in the trenches on the front of a Zenit but is still optically great, I like the look it has, like a piece of military hardware.
I also have some old brass lenses that are very well worn I like the look of those too.
Lens bodies aren't painted, they are powder coated or enamelled, this cannot be repaired with paint, trust me, I have seen it done and the result is always bad. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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OM
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Posts: 166 Location: Southern England
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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OM wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Lens bodies aren't painted, they are powder coated or enamelled... |
...or anodised |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
OM wrote: |
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Lens bodies aren't painted, they are powder coated or enamelled... |
...or anodised |
True, but I was thinking of the ones that look like they are painted black, my point being, it's not paint. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5028 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
If I had a really bad looking lens, I mean it just looked ugly, not worn but that my dog had chewed the barrel, I could think of painting it.
But: I would use a colour that is distinctly different from original but still esthetically pleasing. Like dark green on black. Don't know which type of paint but I think some for metal, not model paint, definitely not glossy. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
If I had a really bad looking lens, I mean it just looked ugly, not worn but that my dog had chewed the barrel, I could think of painting it.
But: I would use a colour that is distinctly different from original but still esthetically pleasing. Like dark green on black. Don't know which type of paint but I think some for metal, not model paint, definitely not glossy. |
You need enamel paint, not sure what it is called in other languages. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Big Dawg
Joined: 28 Jan 2009 Posts: 2530 Location: Thach Alabama
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Big Dawg wrote:
I did it with my Vivitar Series 1 135mm f/2.3 lens. But it was in incredibly horrible condition. It doesn't look like a new one would but it did improve the look considerably. I no longer own it but I do not think the present owner would complain that I ruined it!! LOL Go carefully and if in doubt leave it as it is. _________________ Big Dawg |
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 741 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
I heard of a solution used by gunsmiths, when applied to bare aluminium it makes the surface black, or much darker, without adding thickness. Never used it though, but probably worth looking into. |
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:11 am Post subject: |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
Seele wrote: |
I heard of a solution used by gunsmiths, when applied to bare aluminium it makes the surface black, or much darker, without adding thickness. Never used it though, but probably worth looking into. |
AFAIK, gunsmiths use two methods to "blue" steel - heat or chemical. Both methods work on iron/steel, but I am not sure the chemicals would work on aluminium. Certainly the heat won't!
It is perfectly possible to anodise aluminium at home although, apparently, black is the hardest colour to get and matching an existing colour would be IMHO almost impossible. |
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
When I get a new "old" lens I always clean the outside with gun oil (weapons oil - hope that these are the correct terms in English) - for example with Ballistol. Helps a little bit to make the lens more shiny.
http://www.ballistol.de/index.php?article_id=95&clang=0
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:22 am Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
Most stores that sell Gun Oil also sell Blueing or Bluing there are 2 different spellings. But I've never tried Bluing on a lens before. If I remember correctly if you use Bluing you need to go over it with Gun Oil. _________________
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Panasonic G5,Nikon J1,Pentax Q10,Sony Nex 6
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SXR_Mark
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 506 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:15 am Post subject: |
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SXR_Mark wrote:
Birchwood Casey make "Super Black" touch-up pens for aluminium. The "Flat Black" is good for touching up marks on lens rings created when disassembling lenses. The "Gloss Black" is too gloss for most lens outer barrels, but has some uses. I find the adhesion is not good enough for covering up large areas of bare aluminium unless you leave it for days to dry really thoroughly.
The lens in this thread was touched up using these pens, but I cleaned it all off again because it didn't look any better!
Mark _________________ Olympus OM-D E-M1 for everything |
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RioRico
Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 1120 Location: California or Guatemala or somewhere
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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RioRico wrote:
I am simple and lazy and cheap. I wipe down old lenses with a clean soft cloth. Then I use black indelible Magic Marker to touch-up any brassing. It's not perfect, but it's good enough for casual inspection.
Damaged knurled rubber grip rings are greater problems. Sometimes they must be glued and magic-markered. Sometimes they must be removed and replaced. My worst but simplest was a Vivitar-Komine 90/2.8 macro with a decayed ring. I replaced it with... silver duct tape! Just the right width, not elegant at all, but it works, and I doubt that anyone would consider stealing it. _________________ Too many film+digi cams+lenses, oh my -- Pentax K20D, K-1000, M42s, more
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Big Dawg
Joined: 28 Jan 2009 Posts: 2530 Location: Thach Alabama
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Big Dawg wrote:
RioRico wrote: |
I am simple and lazy and cheap. I wipe down old lenses with a clean soft cloth. Then I use black indelible Magic Marker to touch-up any brassing. It's not perfect, but it's good enough for casual inspection.
Damaged knurled rubber grip rings are greater problems. Sometimes they must be glued and magic-markered. Sometimes they must be removed and replaced. My worst but simplest was a Vivitar-Komine 90/2.8 macro with a decayed ring. I replaced it with... silver duct tape! Just the right width, not elegant at all, but it works, and I doubt that anyone would consider stealing it. |
I replaced the Plastic(Not Rubber) Focus ring covers on both the Vivitar 200mm f/3 and the 135mm f/2.3 with focus ring (Rubber) covers from Vivitar 75-205 macro focusing lenses. The 2 series one lenses benefited greatly from the replacement and looked like the covers were done at the factory. _________________ Big Dawg |
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
I kind of like the old lenses with a little paint loss, marks and bumps.
It tells a story _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:37 am Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
I agree _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
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Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Why bother?
If you are going to use it, then use it, who cares wear... if you are going to sell it, it won't be some makeup that will make a buyer think that it's a newer lens than what it really is.
I also have to add that often worn lenses are more pleasurable to use because you don't freak out as much about treating them with velvet gloves as you do when the lens looks new... _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Allow me to disagree a bit. Many times manufacturer tried to keep low production costs and time. Some materials can be replaced, some functions can be improved. But to do it well that is the issue. I think restoring old lenses can be art. _________________ ---------------------------------
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