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CameraRick
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 77 Location: Berlin - Germany
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: Generic Info on Lenses? |
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CameraRick wrote:
Hi there,
right now I'm planning to buy a ND-Fader Filter (something which you can't live without when you're filming and like your Lens wide-open), so I'm doing some research on "common" Filter Threads I have to cover.
Problem is, I can't find good Infos about lenses, and many of them aren't labeled like new ones. E.g., if I would like to buy a 135mm, I would hate to have one with 67mm-thread if I buyed a 62mm ND-Fader.
Is there some kind of "Lens Info"-Site, where such Infos are listed?
Best Regards,
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seta666
Joined: 07 Apr 2010 Posts: 144 Location: Castellon, Spain
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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seta666 wrote:
I think fast teles/wide angles will have bigger optics and some zoom may have big filters too. 67mm (helios 40-2 85/1.5, tokina rmc 17mm )will cover quite a lot of lenses but some wide angles will use 77 or even 82mm filters. Many lenses will use 49mm(jupiter-9 85/2, tamron sp 90mm 2.5) or 52mm filter(yashica ML 50 1.4, 50 1.7, 28/2.8, 35 2.
135mm 2.8 and 200mm f4 lenses would be on the 52-58mm range(pentacon and yashica are 55mm) most of the time
I you can buy only one 67mm is a good choice, but will look huge with some lenses. 58mm will cover a lot too(may be cheaper and more convinient), most lenses but the widest(17mm, 20mm, 24mm) or fastest teles (85mm 1.4, 135/2)
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CameraRick
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 77 Location: Berlin - Germany
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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CameraRick wrote:
Hi Seta,
I wanted to buy at least 62mm. My Lenses are 49mm (Zeiss Tessar), 52mm (cheap Revuenon) and 58mm (Canon Kit-Lens which I use sometimes because of the Widangle).
I don't want to buy a whole ND-Fader, I want to build one (you need a Pol-circular and Pol-linear Filter). On 62mm it would cost ~44€, at 72mm ~83€.
You see, I want to buy only one "for all times" I'm thinking about buying a Tokina 70-220mm f3.5 Zoom (doing research on it at this time), and I think it's 72mm. It would be very nasty to buy another Fader for only one lens, so I want to cover the "most" used Lenses.
So, in "normal scenario", I'll fit the most with 62mm?
Regards,
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
62mm is a good size, also because it's not large enough to look ridiculously out of place on most manual focus primes but large enough to fit all but a few wide-angle lenses and a few fast teles.
Personally I have most of my filters only as 62mm, and just a couple in 77mm for modern lenses and wide-angles.
P. S. For your DIY variable ND you can also use two linear polarisers, or two circular polarisers mounted front to front with a coupling ring. |
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seta666
Joined: 07 Apr 2010 Posts: 144 Location: Castellon, Spain
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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seta666 wrote:
CameraRick wrote: |
Hi Seta,
So, in "normal scenario", I'll fit the most with 62mm?
Regards,
Lucas |
62mm filter would fit 95% of my lenses, From Yashica ML 24mm (62mm filter thread) to Jupiter-9, all but helios 40 and tokina 17mm(Zenitar 16mm and mir 20 can not take filters)
It would also fit most of 135mm 2.8 and 200mm lenses.
Zooms are diferent story and the tokina you mention is quite fast for a zoom so is quite normal it uses big filters
It is up to you I guess
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CameraRick
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 77 Location: Berlin - Germany
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:07 am Post subject: |
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CameraRick wrote:
Hi there,
I'm always looking on these nice Canon AF Lenses with wide-angle for APS-C and stuff, but I have to be honest to myself: I'll never afford one in the next six years
I want to specialise myself on MF-Lenses (to get this cool Cinema-Feeling), so I think 62mm would fit the most of what I want to buy.
Btw, do you know anything about the Tokina? I can't find good information about - but it sounds nice, 70-220 with f3.5... but seems to be quiet heavy.
How ridicilously it will look doesn't matter to me, I like to impress people with my work, not with my Gear
I read that it works only with a linear and circular Pol-Filter. A friend of mine uses this Combo with Filters from Hama, they have a thread on the front so you can easily mount the one onto the other. I tried it, and the result is amazing (kinda magic!)
But thanks mate
Regards,
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Many super wides and long teles will require more than 62mm
So it depends ultimately on which lenses you are planning to use.
If you want to go under 24mm focal lenght or above 135mm focal lenght I definitely recommend to buy at least the 77mm filter, even better the 82mm or 88 mm _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
CameraRick wrote: |
I read that it works only with a linear and circular Pol-Filter. |
The thing that matters is that there cannot be a quarter-wave plate between the two polarisers. A circular polarizer is a linear polariser followed by a quarter-wave plate. So, the working combos are:
camera <- linear <- linear
camera <- circular <- linear
camera <- circular <- (coupling ring) <- reversed circular
Note that stacking polarisers can lead to some strange colour effects at extreme settings. (This may actually be beneficial when using stacked polarizers for false-colour IR photography.)
Edit: Apparently someone is selling new old stock of 62mm Heliopan Käsemann linear polarisers on eBay for a very good price (especially compare to the current prices). Click here to see on Ebay |
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CameraRick
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 77 Location: Berlin - Germany
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:31 am Post subject: |
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CameraRick wrote:
Hi there Arkku,
I see.
I saw those color-problems in extreme conditions, it runed kinda violett; but in most cases I don't want to film right in the sun
Linear-Linear would be nice, because it's simply cheaper. With linear I can't use AF anymore, but I don't know if that's much ob a problem...
The eBay-Offer is great, but to be honest, I don't need such expensive Filter. And after that it' 45$ plus Taxes and Stuff, and "only" 62...
Hi Orio,
I think I simply don't have the money for ultra-wide lenses in most Cases. Fisheyes distort very much, so they aren't that useful, and other stuff below 28mm is simply very expensive - and after all that, in wide-angles it's not that problem to reduce the iris
The real problem seems to be for the tele - I think I won't use focal length above 135mm very often (for filming use!), but I'm thinking of buying a zoom so you are a bit more flexible at this lengths (that's why I thought about the Tokina). I think on day I'll check out the Tokina myself (I borrowed my Cam today - d'oh!) so I'll see if I have to buy a big one.
Regards,
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