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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: Macro Rail photography / zeiss 2.0/35 ZE |
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Bruce
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
They cerrtainly look sharp enough, did you do a lot of processing to these as Im seeing a double border
on the high contrast areas? _________________ Digital: Canon 40d & 5DmkII, Film: Hasselblad 203fe/Zeiss 80/2.8 cfe
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
Yes Bruce, you are right. Unfortunately I have this result from the raw file. It is not pp result.
That's why I posted the photos. I have pm Orio, I can't explain it.
I have no problem with regular frames... Orio asked for the raws and he'll have them. _________________ My flickr___ My Wix___ RailPictures |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
what raw converter have you been using Magnet? _________________ Orio, Administrator
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
Orio, DPP and Camera Raw give the same result. _________________ My flickr___ My Wix___ RailPictures |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Have you sent the files? I'll give them a go at my workstation. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
Just sending. In fact 2 emails - 5dii files, you know. _________________ My flickr___ My Wix___ RailPictures |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
hi Dimitris
here's one of your files, converted with Breezebrowser Pro.
Breezebrowser Pro is a browser/converter program that uses the same SDK of Canon's own DPP, therefore, it converts images identically as DPP:
All that I can see, is a nice image, very sharp for being wide open, with some (forgivable) lateral chromatic aberration.
Nothing that resembles your terrible image.
So, whatever problem is that causes those artifacts, it's in your software, or in your workflow - not in the RAW file.
Hope this makes you feel better!
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Wow, what a difference! I use DPP and I've never seen that effect before. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Bruce
Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 842 Location: Boston, Ma USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
Yes! they look 200% improved!
The first images look as something I would do when
I go heavy handed on the sliders.
I think they call it "crushing the shadows"
as opposed to "blowing out the highlights" _________________ Digital: Canon 40d & 5DmkII, Film: Hasselblad 203fe/Zeiss 80/2.8 cfe
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:48 am Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
Thank you very much Orio for your interest and your time.
Thank you Bruce for your comment. You were right.
I have already reset the camera raw settings and everything is fine. _________________ My flickr___ My Wix___ RailPictures |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
magnet-2009 wrote: |
Thank you very much Orio for your interest and your time.
Thank you Bruce for your comment. You were right.
I have already reset the camera raw settings and everything is fine. |
What sliders did you change to get that effect?
And how could possibly two different raw converters give the same absurd result without you being aware that you edited the parameters?
Why didn't you think to verify that the images were ok without those edits? _________________ Orio, Administrator
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:50 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
What an amazing difference!
The first images look like someone tried to make a HDR image from the same RAW file - some converts allows that. _________________ Klaus - Admin
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
Very good questions Orio. Lets talk about it.
1. I opened the wrong file using dpp [already worked with camera raw] and not the file directly from the camera. Too old to rock n' roll, too young to die.
2. The workflow I followed and worked very good with my files using Canon lens was the following:
http://www.youtube.com/user/cbrushphoto
The camera raw settings that made the problem are:
http://www.youtube.com/user/cbrushphoto#p/u/15/w5vA0yk37IU
http://www.youtube.com/user/cbrushphoto#p/u/14/AkFcdIfjTJk
I can't follow it with zeiss lens. No pp needed in fact. [to poilu ]
I didn't see the smooth dpp result because I open raw with camera raw and the workflow settings are extreme at the begining.
BTW is there any topic about pp workflow? _________________ My flickr___ My Wix___ RailPictures |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Dimitris,
before following this or that PP tutorial, keep this in mind:
1) ANY digital editing that you apply on an image, degrades the information of the image. Even if the image looks better, the information in it is degraded compared to original state.
This is always true
2) Editing an image is an individual act. There are no workflows that can work well for every image. When serious people (like me ) prepare workflow, actions, etc, they always provide different settings - like when I made the zeissify action, I made it in 5 or 6 different settings. But, the most important thing is the personal judgement. What the person did in the tutorial, that is, to save a default that will be used on all images, is the best way to ruin your images
3) Many people think with this mind: "I take a photo, just a basic act of click on the camera, then the magic will happen in photoshop".
This is the bad amateur way of doing things.
And it leads to bad amateur results.
The way the pros think, is: "I do my best to get the best shot right out of the camera. Then, if, and only if, something is wrong, I will rescue it in photoshop, for as much as it is needed to rescue the fault and nothing more"
The reason why you buy a lens like the Z Distagon, is to think and act like the pro. To do like the bad amateur, the kit lens is sufficient.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
The first images look like someone tried to make a HDR image from the same RAW file |
Yes, but also more. The colours are completely messed up. Like if a difference layer was overimposed in multiply or darken mode, or something. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
OK. I know now, Zeiss need no pp. No blue for green, no pp. _________________ My flickr___ My Wix___ RailPictures |
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
Orio wrote: |
kds315* wrote: |
The first images look like someone tried to make a HDR image from the same RAW file |
Yes, but also more. The colours are completely messed up. Like if a difference layer was overimposed in multiply or darken mode, or something. |
If you are interested follow the workflow and you'll get "the" result.
I follow a different way from now on. _________________ My flickr___ My Wix___ RailPictures |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Orio
We can all take something away from that advice. Thanks
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Less bad than before, but I still see the double edge.
Also, you deprived the image of dark tones, now it is weak. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
Third trial and we are oooooff topic.
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Dark tones are good now.
Still a hint of double edges though... try not to apply sharpening after resize. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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magnet-2009
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Greece, Athens
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: |
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magnet-2009 wrote:
Last trial. Realy, I made very little use of the sliders [no sharpening at all]. The double line rose because I've used too much the fill light slider at camera raw.
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
magnet wrote: |
The double line rose because I've used too much the fill light slider at camera raw |
dangerous tool to use, especially if the lcd is not calibrated
check http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ and make sure you can see all black level & saturation
as pointed by Orio last year, the 5DII must be exposed properly, not many latitude in post processing
banding on #1 is a bad advertise for such a expensive dslr
I have amplified the contrast so you can better see it
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