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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
aspen wrote: |
Balsam glue can be found on the internet, and there are also new glass adhesives. |
it is possible to re-glue together the two elements ???
glue is really between the two surface or is it only on the sides ? _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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aspen
Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Posts: 307 Location: Maryland, USA
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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aspen wrote:
Nelson wrote: |
aspen wrote: |
Balsam glue can be found on the internet, and there are also new glass adhesives. |
it is possible to re-glue together the two elements ???
glue is really between the two surface or is it only on the sides ? |
The glue is between the two surfaces. Yes, you can re-glue, and I would think you should re-glue. It is important to reassemble the two pieces of glass, together, the way that they were, originally. And then, to keep them from moving even slightly, they need to be "cemented". _________________ Cameras; Sony Nex5n Lenses; Konica Hexanons; 21mm f2.8, 40mm f1,8, 50mm f1.4, 50mmf1.7,57mm f1.4, 100mm f2.8, 135mm f3.2, 200mm f4, MC Helios 77M-4 50mm f1.8, Jupiter 8 50 f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.5 (Macro), Steinheil Munchen Culminar 85mm f2.8, Steinheil Munchen Exagon 35mm f2.8, Jupiter 37A 135mm, Astra Berlin 135mm f3.5, Angenieux 180mm f4 , Tair 3-PhS 300mm f4.5 |
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aspen
Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Posts: 307 Location: Maryland, USA
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:33 am Post subject: |
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aspen wrote:
This guy boils the lens in water (or at least heats the water high)..nice photos.
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?65756-One-way-to-fix-lens-separation _________________ Cameras; Sony Nex5n Lenses; Konica Hexanons; 21mm f2.8, 40mm f1,8, 50mm f1.4, 50mmf1.7,57mm f1.4, 100mm f2.8, 135mm f3.2, 200mm f4, MC Helios 77M-4 50mm f1.8, Jupiter 8 50 f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.5 (Macro), Steinheil Munchen Culminar 85mm f2.8, Steinheil Munchen Exagon 35mm f2.8, Jupiter 37A 135mm, Astra Berlin 135mm f3.5, Angenieux 180mm f4 , Tair 3-PhS 300mm f4.5 |
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Smoli4
Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Posts: 606 Location: Haifa, Israel
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Smoli4 wrote:
yes its not that hard at all. many roads lead to one place
my thought are just to do it all in a very dust free environment and depends on the method of cementing but use very little adhesive to only very so slightly cover the bonding area of the elements.
and about cleaning the old adhesive - after the elements are seperated after you heat then those elements are easily cleaned with regular cleaning solution you might use to clean your lenses and no sign of the old adhesive is left what so ever. |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
Would like some help
to explain me where get the glue and how and where put it
....or someone than can do the job ?
ps : today i receive another one Tokina ATX 80-200 2.8 but this one in AF.... looks fine _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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aspen
Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Posts: 307 Location: Maryland, USA
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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aspen wrote:
hi Nelson,
You might want to google "optical resins", "Optical adhesives", and find a dealer that you're comfortable with buying from. I would stray away from Canadian Balsam, unless you want to be old school traditional. There are a number of kinds of epoxy resins which are made for cementing lenses. The epoxies are mostly two resins that when combined together (mix just before applying) will hold, even in higher temperatures (unlike Canadian Balsam).
The most important step is absolutely cleaning the surfaces of the lens. Use a solvent (paint thinner) if necessary. Wipe it with acetone. But it must be clean and dry too.
Before you separate the lenses mark the sides of the two elements with a permanent marker. Just draw a single line vertical, up and down, so you can put it back that way.
When the lenses are CLEAN and you have your adhesive ready, drop a few drops in the middle of the bottom lens. Have the lens so that the concave one is on the bottom, like a bowl.
Place the other lens on top and apply some pressure with your finger or a pencil eraser(IN the CENTER of the lens). You will want to make some small "twists" back and forth to get any air bubbles out.
Make sure your lines are lined up on the side.
It should cure within 24 hours (I'M guessing that you get the kind that does...some cure faster...some cure by UV light) _________________ Cameras; Sony Nex5n Lenses; Konica Hexanons; 21mm f2.8, 40mm f1,8, 50mm f1.4, 50mmf1.7,57mm f1.4, 100mm f2.8, 135mm f3.2, 200mm f4, MC Helios 77M-4 50mm f1.8, Jupiter 8 50 f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.5 (Macro), Steinheil Munchen Culminar 85mm f2.8, Steinheil Munchen Exagon 35mm f2.8, Jupiter 37A 135mm, Astra Berlin 135mm f3.5, Angenieux 180mm f4 , Tair 3-PhS 300mm f4.5 |
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MDave
Joined: 30 May 2012 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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MDave wrote:
Hi Nelson,
I was wondering if you were able to make any more progress on fixing the lens haze. I'm in a similar situation with the same lens and was curious to know if you found a way to remove the haze. |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
Sorry I had few time for this item during last weeks.
Can anyone give me a like on ebay or anywhere else for the optical cement/glue ? _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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saintz
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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saintz wrote:
How did you remove the front element?
I have this lens and cannot figure out how to disassemble it from the front. There appears to be a single set screw in the front, but I had no luck after removing it. |
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saintz
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 8
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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saintz wrote:
Does anyone have instructions on how to remove the front element? |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
Sorry
I did not find time to answer
just remove the 3 screws on side of the front of the lens
then with a wrench, unscrew the front element
after that, always with the wrench, remove the other internal elements _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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saintz
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 8
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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saintz wrote:
Can you elaborate? I don't see 3 screws.
There is only one set screw that is on the front of the barrel. The "nameplate" on the front of the lens does not appear to pop off to allow a spanner in to remove the lens.
If you have pictures or more detailed instructions I would really appreciate it.
Thanks |
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saintz
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 8
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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saintz wrote:
I put up some pictures of my lens and the only 1 screw I can see here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1248317.html#1248317 |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
i will try saturday.
don't hesitate to send me a MP _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
I made a video to explain quickly the disassembly of the front pf my lens
just let me put the video on Youtube _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ0XcErf9OE _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
Sorry
This was (is) on stand by
I never found this "optical glue"
Can seomeone give me an url or an ebay seller link ? _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
I am selling my ATX SD autofocus, so i would like to fnish fixing my MF copy.
I am still looking a way to get some optical cement/glue
Some URLs guys ? _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
Didn´t find optical UV curing glue on Ebay.
Here are manufacturer websites:
http://www.norlandprod.com/UVdefault.html
http://www.optical-cement.com/
At Edmund Optics you can buy those Norland glue. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
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