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Olivier
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 Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: Steinheil München Quinar 2.8/135 |
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Olivier wrote:
Well,
Thanks to Klaus and the forum's Marketplace, coming back from vacation I found this beautiful lens at home.
First of all, it seems in very good condition. Effectively, it is working very well on a mechanical point of view.
Then, I looked inside it with direct light as the seller wrote that there are some pollutions inside. Hmmm... no fungus but dust and a little haze.
As it is, I decided to mount it and gave it a try. Wide open, it seems quite soft in full light (haze effect ?). After closing it some stops, it renders far better. It's a pleasure to shoot with it and I would like to be able to open it and clean it well.
Attila, could you please tell me how to service it ?
Great lens and beautiful !
Aperture from F2.8 to F32.
Minimum focusing distance : 1 meter !!! What a difference with the Pentacon 135 f2.8 wich minimum distance is 1,70m.
Preset system very smooth and efficient for manual focus.
I prepare some shots and come back... 
OK, here they are, all on 40D at Iso 200.
1- Flower wide open at F2.8
2- Kittie at F4
3- Kittie at F8
4- Roses at F2.8
same at F8
5- Rose close view, wide open F2.8
6- 3D view Bokeh at F2.8
Same at F8
7- Leaves 3D view Bokeh at F2.8
Same at F32
Cheers
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Nesster wrote:
Nice and lively looking lens - the kitty has good natural detail, and the transition out of focus is very smooth. Nice lens.
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Spotmatic wrote:
I concur. Lots of detail from this nice looking lens! The bokeh looks nice too, at least to my eyes. Congratulations with this nice find (or you should thank Klaus a little more )
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trifox wrote:
yes! - very nice !
I love the bokeh too! and the blue colour of the eyes of the cat.. - wow..
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Mist wrote:
Nice lens indeed. |
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Attila wrote:
Congrats! This lens one of the sharpest lens what I have include Contax 135mm 2.8, Olympus etc. I don't think so need to open and clean it immediately. Make more shoots and if you love it , don't make risk with servicing. One times I opened a 85mm f2.8 Steinheil to fix it's aperture problem I couldn't fix it and couldn't build back either ... They used 10x more screws than other makers. It was a nasty construction inside really I wish to throw out...
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Olivier wrote:
Thank you all and, again, a special GREAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH KLAUS !!!
Attila, I'll follow your advice as I already lost a lens by trying to clean haze...
About Bokeh, I do agree. This is a 10 blades' diaph.
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kds315* wrote:
Most welcome!! The results look REALLY good and I would not pay too much attention to the haze - if it does not show too much (as lack of contrast). Opening a lens is a tricky thing at times and after having virtually destroyed a few, I gave that up and only into the hands of profesionals!!
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| Most welcome!! The results look REALLY good and I would not pay too much attention to the haze - if it does not show too much (as lack of contrast). Opening a lens is a tricky thing at times and after having virtually destroyed a few, I gave that up and only into the hands of profesionals!! |
Fully agree! Easy to fix contrast in post processing if need.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Steinheil München Quinar 2.8/135 |
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| Olivier wrote: |
| As it is, I decided to mount it and gave it a try. Wide open, it seems quite soft in full light (haze effect ?). After closing it some stops, it renders far better. It's a pleasure to shoot with it and I would like to be able to open it and clean it well. |
I agree with the above; don't open this superb lens unless you really have to. (If you do, though, take pictures as you go along, first to help you put it back together properly, and second to post here for the rest of us.) Experiment a bit, and see what you can do to the low contrast in post-processing.
This is definitely one of my favourite 135mm's, the bokeh is among the best and the minimum focusing distance is met only by a few old lenses of this length (although admittedly the CZJ Sonnar 135mm f/3.5 does it in a much smaller package). |
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Olivier wrote:
Hello.
Thanks Arkku.
And, following Attila's advice :
High-Res pics there
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patrickh wrote:
Lovely lens. I have had quite bad luck with two versions of the 135/4.5 Culminar 
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poilu wrote:
congrats! nice lens, perfect 100% samples even at 2.8 |
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Attila wrote:
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Lovely lens. I have had quite bad luck with two versions of the 135/4.5 Culminar
patrickh |
What was your problem with them ? Please share with us!
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patrickh wrote:
I posted this before. Taken on the Canon 40D and M42 adapter. Elk:
You can see how soft it is. My second copy is little better.
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Attila wrote:
Perhaps your lens was budget level lens from same maker. I guess from speed difference.
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patrickh wrote:
You are probably right Attila. I think the "Qui***" series is the top of the line and the "Cul**" series below that.
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calvin83 wrote:
Olivier. My copy is sharp from wide open and the contrast is pretty good already at F2.8. I would say the softness might be cause the haze and dust inside the lens.
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Olivier wrote:
Thank you Calvin.
I managed to clean haze. It's a beautiful and wonderful lens !
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Olivier wrote:
Thank you Calvin.
I managed to clean haze a bit.
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